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October 28, 2006

Verifible, Non-Christian Facts About the Government School System

On my previous post, Public Schools Produce FOOLS, I made this statement in the comments section:

"Whether you agree or not, the government’s objective with public education is to completely usurp all parental authority, particularly Christians, and indoctrinate their children with a secular-humanistic worldview."

Anonymous said... "Prove this statement. With verifible, non-Christian facts."

For starters, the government has made strict compulsory attendance laws forcing children to attend school and giving strong penalties to parents who disobey the law.

The glaring fact is that despite our compulsory attendance laws, we now have more illiteracy and more ignorance among Americans than before such laws were enacted. The first compulsory school attendance law was passed in Massachusetts in 1852, and by 1918 every state in the Union had such a law. Yet the fact is that these laws have merely increased the amount of time children spend in school, not the amount of learning or knowledge they acquire.

Even the Secretary of Education has admitted in the frankest terms that the government education system is failing the American people so miserably that it threatens our very future as a nation.

Obviously, then, the purpose of compulsory attendance is not to provide an education for all, but merely to fill classrooms with children for the convenience of the education establishment whose financial benefits depend on deluding the public into believing that education is taking place. In other words, compulsory attendance forces parents, particularly poor parents, to patronize schools that are incompetent and harmful to their children.

The fact that millions of young Americans have emerged from the educational process, unable to read, write or spell, do simple arithmetic, or speak grammatically, means that attending school has been a complete waste of time and money.

Compulsory-attendance laws create, in effect, an education prison system. Prisons get their prisoners because the police drag them in. Public schools get their students because compulsory-attendance laws let school authorities drag children into their schools, with or without parent's consent.

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Here are some non-Christian quotes from leading educators and humanists that not only prove the government tries to completely usurp all parental authority while the children are being indoctrinated with a secular-humanistic worldview, but that the Public Schools Teach Socialism:

In 1936, the National Education Association stated its position, from which they have never wavered; “We stand for socializing the individual.”

“The major problem of education in our times arises out of the fact that we live in a period of fundamental social change. In the new democracy [we were a Republic] education must share in the responsibility of giving purpose and direction to social change. The major function of the school is the social orientation of the individual . Education must operate according to a well-formulated social policy.” - The NEA, Policy For American Education

“The schools cannot allow parents to influence the kind of values-education their children receive in school; . that is what is wrong with those who say there is a universal system of values. [Christians?] Our (humanistic) goals are incompatible with theirs. We must change their values.” - Paul Haubner, specialist for the NEA

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“Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well -- by creating the international child of the future.” - Professor Chester M. Pierce, M.D., Professor of Education and Psychiatry at Harvard

“The fundamentalist parents have no right to indoctrinate their children in their beliefs. We are preparing their children for the year 2000 and life in a global one-world society and those children will not fit in.” - Former Senator Paul Hoagland of Nebraska

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Quotes from Humanists:

“Education is a social process. Education is growth. Education is, not a preparation for life; education is life itself.”

“You can't make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone is interdependent.” - John Dewey, signer of the Humanist Manifesto, 1933

"Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American school is a school of humanism. What can a theistic Sunday school's meeting for an hour once a week and teaching only a fraction of the children do to stem the tide of the five-day program of humanistic teaching?" - Charles F. Potter, Humanism: A New Religion, 1930

"Public education is the parochial education for scientific humanism." - Joe R. Burnett, the editor of The Humanist Magazine in 1961

“I think that the most important factor moving us toward a secular society has been the educational factor. Our schools may not teach Johnny how to read properly, but the fact that Johnny is in school until he is 16 tends toward the elimination of religious superstition. The average American child now acquires a high school education, and this militates against Adam and Eve and all other myths of alleged history.” - P. Blanchard, The Humanist, 1983

"The battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: A religion of humanity -- utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to carry humanist values into wherever they teach. The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new -- the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of humanism." - John J. Dunphy, The Humanist, 1983

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Well - Do you believe me now? Probably Not!

*Just for fun, let's take a look at a few more quotes about education from several hundred years ago...

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Quotes from Higher Learning:

“Every student shall consider the main end of his study to wit to know God in Jesus Christ and answerably to lead a Godly, sober life.”Founders of Yale College, 1701

“To commit our children to the care of irreligious persons is to commit lambs to the superintendecy of wolves.”Timothy Dwight (1752-1817), President of Yale College

“Cursed be all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.” - Rev. Jonathan Dickinson, Princeton University’s First President, 1747

“Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life, John 17:3, and therefore to lay Christ in the bottom, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning.” - Harvard, Rules & Precepts, 1636

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Quote from God:

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge and have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. " - Hosea 4:6

JUDGMENT WILL COME TO THOSE WHO REJECT GOD & SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO A HUMANISTIC, BUREAUCRATIC DAYCARE CENTER TO BE EDUCATED!!!

17 comments:

  1. Despite a "mandatory" attendance law, parents have the right to teach their children at home. The government doesnt force children to attend tax supported schools.

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  2. Dani says:"The glaring fact is that despite our compulsory attendance laws, we now have more illiteracy and more ignorance among Americans than before such laws were enacted."

    YET:
    US literacy rates:

    CIA Factbook:99% 2006
    Wikepedia 99% 2005
    WHO (World Health Organization) 99% 1999

    In the United States the literacy rate was over 50 percent during the first half of the 17th century, and it rose to 70 percent by 1710. By the time of the American Revolution, it was around 90 percent (NAAL-National Association of Adult Literacy).

    Compulsory schooling, established in Britain, Europe, and the U.S. in the 19th century, has led to high rates of literacy in the modern industrialized world ...

    www.answers.com

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  3. Religion is for the home and for the church. Public schools are for teaching our kids the necessary reading, math, and science they'll need to go on to university or to enter the workforce- history and the humanities for rounding us out as individuals cognizant of who we are, where we came from, the things we've done, and our impressions of the ride. You are free to teach your children to behave and believe as you wish- no matter how it may stifle their thinking and cripple their ability to deal with the world outside of your clutches. If you and yours are so solid in your faith, surely you can withstand a schoolday outside your bubble- don't worry you can pray to yourself all day if you have to.

    And, yes, the public schools need work, the teachers' union is too strong, the economic disparity between districts is unjust, and many parents are either purposefully- or by circumstance, asleep at the switch in terms of disciplining their kids, teaching them good study habits, and just plain taking responsibility for those they've brought into the world. Unfortunately, injecting religion into the mix would be exactly the wrong thing to do about it.

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  4. "Obviously, then, the purpose of compulsory attendance is not to provide an education for all, but merely to fill classrooms with children for the convenience of the education establishment whose financial benefits depend on deluding the public into believing that education is taking place. In other words, compulsory attendance forces parents, particularly poor parents, to patronize schools that are incompetent and harmful to their children."

    No, not obviously, not even close. It's not working, true, but that doesn't mean it's just to fill classrooms, far from it. In fact, where's your proof?

    Ok, so the state-education system's rubbish. Here's an idea: make it better. Better funding, better training for teachers, it's simple really so millions of Americans won't be leaving without the basic skills necessary for life.

    And yes, compulsory schooling does mean that it is, in effect, a prison system (the only prison system without parole and where good behaviour gets you extra time, as Alan Bennett says). However, like prison, it can be beneficial.

    Anyway, can you think of any parent that wouldn't want their child to have the opportunity of an education? And on top of all of that, even if education wasn't legally compulsory, it would still be compulsory because without educaiton, you can't get anywhere in life. It's why millions teenagers in my country choose voluntary education over leaving school at 16 because if you don't, you're not going to get very far.


    And you have an overly great love of quotes, quotes prove nothing, just that someone said something. People quoted Aristotle for centuries, despite the fact that he was wrong about most of his science.

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  5. Anyway, can you think of any parent that wouldn't want their child to have the opportunity of an education?

    Since Dani advocates very strongly for homeschooling, it's pretty clear that she's not implying that children shouldn't have any education.

    The main issue at hand here for anyone debating it is that the advantages and disadvantages of both homeschooling and public schooling are being misrepresented or omitted. Both systems are viable under the right conditions, and both certainly have their flaws at the moment. We should work on solving these, rather than declaring that one is far and above the superior one.

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  6. Raindog - Religion is for the home and for the church.

    Secular Humanism, by definition is now considered by the U.S. courts to officially be a religion. Public schools by law are secular and humanistic.

    The schools teach and indoctrinate the students with the religion of secular humanism, thus, violating Article I of the Constitution -"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

    Of course, govt. schools are also in violation of Article I when it fiendishly allows and promotes the religion of humanism to reign in its schools while the government forbids the worship of Christ or the teaching of "intelligent design" within the classroom.

    Public schools are for teaching our kids the necessary reading, math, and science they'll need to go on to university or to enter the workforce- history and the humanities for rounding us out as individuals cognizant of who we are, where we came from, the things we've done, and our impressions of the ride.

    Don’t make me laugh! How do you explain the fact that millions of young Americans have emerged from the educational process, believing all Truth is relative and we evolved from slime, in addition being unable to read, write or spell, do simple arithmetic, or speak grammatically?

    I left this for you on the other post but you never responded:

    Fundamentality speaking, the public school system is inherently a bad idea because it is NOT the government responsibility to educate the children of a country. It is the primary responsibility of the parents to educate their own children, and when the government steps in and offers “free” education, naturally and consequently the parents become less and less involved.

    If parents don’t have to pay for their children’s education they are not likely to invest the time it takes to ensure that their children are receiving proper education. When education is free, along with the benefit of having a full-time daycare, parents become progressively more lazy and less concerned with what’s going on in their children’s lives. Surely you can see this happening at school?

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    CJM - Ok, so the state-education system's rubbish. Here's an idea: make it better. Better funding, better training for teachers, it's simple really so millions of Americans won't be leaving without the basic skills necessary for life.

    More money will not solve anything, in fact, the schools are doing worse academically than ever, yet they are receiving more govt. funding than ever before. => [Source]

    The nation's public school systems are sinking further into debt, the Census Bureau reported in March 2005. $250 billion in red ink in the 2002-03 school year, up 11 percent from the previous year.

    The data, the latest available, also reflect the first full school year after the No Child Left Behind Act was signed into law in January 2002. The sweeping reforms aimed at upgrading school performance are a cornerstone of President Bush's education policy.
    Collectively, spending for public elementary and secondary school systems increased roughly 4 percent to $453 billion in 2003. That included over $38 billion in that school year alone for construction costs.

    Overall, the nation's public school districts spent $8,019 per student, up about $400 per student from the previous year. The per-pupil costs do not account for construction or other capital needs.

    Isn’t that enough money?

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    Hey - The way I look at it, homeschooling families are doing the government a favor by not sending their kids to public school. Just think how much money the government saves each year when parents take responsibility for the education of their own children – Shoot – they save over $32,000 per year on my family alone!

    Anyway, can you think of any parent that wouldn't want their child to have the opportunity of an education? And on top of all of that, even if education wasn't legally compulsory, it would still be compulsory because without education, you can't get anywhere in life.

    Uber is right, I am not implying that children shouldn't have any education - obviously education is essential to life. What I am saying is that it that we are destroying the minds of our youth by giving them a => Godless Education

    And yes, compulsory schooling does mean that it is, in effect, a prison system… However, like prison, it can be beneficial.
    In case you haven’t noticed – the prison system doesn’t work nor has it been proven to be beneficial.
    Today's public school student is at risk academically, spiritually, morally and physically. To force a child to attend such a school is not only a crime, but the worst form of child abuse: menticide — mind murder.

    As I have already said, the public school system has become the incubator of the sexually deviant, crooked criminal, functionally illiterate drug user and pusher who have made life in our inner cities and suburban areas miserable and dangerous for millions of Americans and it has jeopardized our very future as a free and wholesome society.

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  7. Facts? where are the facts...not opinions/editorials but facts. Your ripping off of other peoples words/thoughts don't constitute facts.

    your myth--secular humanism declared a religion by supreme court.

    FACT:1994 case, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach the "religion" of secular humanism. The Court responded, "We reject this claim because neither the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or secular humanism are `religions' for Establishment Clause purposes." The Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling that secular humanism is not a religion.

    Secular humanism is not a religion by any definition: There are no supernatural beliefs, no creeds that all humanists are required to accept, no sacred texts or required rituals. Humanists are not expected or required to have "faith" in what is said by any authority, living or dead, human or "supernatural."

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  8. In the 1961 Torcaso v. Watkins decision, Justice Hugo Black commented in a footnote, "Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism, and others." Such footnotes, known as "dicta," are written to provide factual background to the legal principles in a decision. These dicta never have the force of law. They are merely comments.

    COMMENTS, not law.

    Secular humanism has NEVER been declared a religion by the Supreme Court.

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  9. Dani, it's okay, sugar, that "slime" you seem so disgusted by was far enough back that it's all washed off by now- though if you've ever seen the insides of a human body...Let me run this by you one more time; Evolution is science, not philosophy, Dani. That it contradicts completely a literal reading of the book of genesis is no fault of the science involved. Rather, it's indicative of the gravely inadequate knowledge on the part of the Hebrew scribes who put pen to papyrus three thousand odd years ago. For me, evolution is a building block to a case against your xian gawd but, by itself, it does no such thing.

    Also, the word "secular" in secular humanism pretty much disqualifies it from religious status. I think your problem- as it is for many on the far right, is that reality is secular. Hence, your contention that public schools are "biased" in that direction just illustrates how far removed from reality you are.

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  10. I think this all comes down to theocrats whinging about being "oppressed". For fundamentalists, being oppressed means not having the freedom to oppress others, to impose their will, to declare their beliefs as "absolute truth" and have them taught to children who have no way of ascertaining the truth claims of the propaganda they are being fed. When the state gets in the way of their designs, they scream foul. Anyone who deviates an inch from their nasty, hate-filled program of promoting ignorance and prejudice is deemed "immoral" and "liberal". (as if being a liberal were something inherently evil, as opposed to, say, calling for the death penalty for gays)
    The Founding Fathers of America, those dedicated secularists who believed that religion should be kept a private matter, (if someone was even religious to begin with) would be aghast to see the way religion is being bandied about as a mark of honour, how religion and ignorance are usurping critical thinking and scientific rationality by promoting a populist mob mentality completely out of touch with reality. They would be equally aghast at how atheists have become something of a hated minority by many. What a tragic farce. The sheer barbaric ignorance of it is almost Third World in dimension. And this in the most technologically advanced society on earth. Apart form hating science and reality, do creationists also hate their country that they want to make it the laughing stock of the Western world?

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  11. You know what country has a really good faith-based educational system? Afghanistan. We should really strive to emulate them.

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  12. "You know what country has a really good faith-based educational system? Afghanistan. We should really strive to emulate them."

    Actually, it all went to hell in the invasion.


    But seriously, I agree, throwing money at the problem will not solve anything, you can't just shove money into somethign and hope it works, you have to target where you put your money, you have to make sure you're buying the right things.

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  13. and when dani's "truths" are knocked down she remains, as usual, SILENT!

    as Gomer Pyle would say::SURPRISE! SURPRISE!

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  14. Hey, there's nothing wrong with Constitutional Monarchy, I happen to like living in one.

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  15. A thought...
    is there anyone here with a blog who would take these discussions on?
    Instead of having the conversations here, isn't there a blogger willing to be "host" to the topics Dani brings up?
    Then just one post saying "hey, come here for this discussion" could be made and dani wouldnt get all the attention she craves or the stat points she loves.
    any one?
    I would but dont have a blog . not sure how to even set one up lol

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  16. Why do you all just do me favor and boycott my blog all together? Wasn't that the plan anyway?

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  17. "I assume you live in England or Japan. In either case you live in a representative democracy which retains a vestigal monarchy as a figurehead without real governmental powers.

    The Queen or the Emporer might technically be the head of state, but the Prime Minister is the real seat of power. I don't see the point of maintaining an expensive and outdated monarchy just for show, but it's not my money."

    Well, first of all it's the United Kingdom, and yes, I do live there. It is a Constitutional Monarchy and all power stems from the Monarch, however, in practice, she has no real power, and if she tried to exercise her theorietical power, there would be trouble.

    What's the point? Well, first of all, it's not that expensive, it costs the taxpayer very little from their money ot keep the Monarchy, and is much, much less expensive than a President would be.

    Secondly, the Queen is a unifying figure, someone that can bring the country together, someone who is above partisan politics.

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