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October 20, 2006

Public Schools Produce FOOLS!

Keep in mind that Adolf Hitler is the one who coined the phrase of communist public education - "Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state."

Hitler later proclaimed that - "If you tell a lie loud enough and long enough, people will believe it."

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(*NOTE: The following article contains harsh Biblical TRUTH and is not suitable for the weak-minded, ill-fated, and morally corrupt individuals who lack wisdom and understanding. So for all the atheists, agnostics, free-thinkers, pagans, phony believers, compromising "xtians" or pitiful preachers kids reading this post –-> Save your breath on this one because you will only demonstrate even further by proving your utterly debased mindset, ignorant thought process and repulsive foolishness to everyone once again. Just ignore this article like you ignore all the others and submerse yourself into the lies of the world while continuing to be Willfully Ignorant of the Truth. It would serve you best to simply move right along through life by going about your day in a perpetual state of a meaningless little existence here on earth. – Good day!)
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“The FOOL has said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt; They have done abominable works; There is none who does good.” - Psalm 14:1

The public school is run and operated by FOOLS, so it is not surprising that the government is producing generations of rebellious FOOLS who reject the TRUTH about God.

Over the past forty years, the moral structure of America has rapidly declined towards an irreparable state of demoralization and a cesspool of character assassination among the young minds in today's society.

In 1962 the U.S. Supreme Court removed God and prayer in public schools and replaced it with secular and humanistic doctrine. Now, government schools are by law secular in their teachings, which means worldly rather than spiritual, or omitting God altogether. Not surprisingly, it was also beginning in 1962, that SAT scores drastically plummeted, while violence, crime, teen pregnancies, STD’s, teen suicides, out-of-wedlock births, pornography use, teen alcohol and drug abuse, and illiteracy rates abruptly increased 200 to 300 percent.

The book of Proverbs makes it abundantly clear that apart from the Lord and His Word, there is no wisdom, knowledge or understanding. Yet, the government schools are hell-bent on pushing their unholy agendas down the throats of young children, producing millions of FOOLS who fiercely deny any TRUTH or wisdom from in the Bible.

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction." - Proverbs 1:7

Public schools are a similar to the prison system, with authorities who force children to stay in school until they are 16 years old or graduate high school (these age limits vary by state). In effect, most children get a 10-year education prison sentence if they start school at age six. Just like prisons, public schools impose their will by force and compulsion, by teaching and promoting gang-rule, mob-mentality, severe competition, ultimate peer pressure, sick vocabulary, chemical dependency, emotionally disturbed ideas, sexual harassment, organized crime drug trafficking, and a variety of other delinquent and destructive behaviors which are contrary to the wisdom and instructions found in God's Holy Scriptures.

"He who walks with wise men becomes wise, but the companion of FOOLS will be destroyed." - Proverbs 13:20

While our nations demise and the corruption of our youth cannot be completely blamed on government education, one must take into account all contributing factors to the increase of moral decay our country is experiencing. The government’s objective with public education is to completely usurp all parental authority, particularly Christians, and indoctrinate their children with a secular-humanistic worldview.

Consider what John J. Dunphy says in The Humanist, 1983:

"The battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: A religion of humanity -- utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to carry humanist values into wherever they teach. The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new -- the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of humanism."

The first plank of the Humanist Manifesto states - "Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created."
The second plank states - "Humanism believes that man is a part of nature and that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process."

Secular Humanism is mainly manifested and fostered by the teaching of evolutionary science, materialism and moral relativism in our popular media and public school system. To satisfy the fundamental question of, "Where did we come from?" - children must be taught the doctrine of evolution as an absolute fact.

Humanism holds that the universe exists for no purpose. We are the result of a blind and random process that does not necessitate any kind of meaning and life is only worth living if we ourselves make it worthwhile and enjoyable. Humanism maintains that no objective or universal values exist and a person may be moral if he or she creates a system of values and lives according them.

It's also interesting to note that Karl Marx, author of The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto declares this as the #10 plank -
"Free education for all children in government schools."

The public school system is specifically designed to entice parents with a “free” pre-K to 12th grade education, then through the established curriculum, the schools deliberately dumb the kids down by eliminating phonics, forbidding practical wisdom, promoting values of tolerance and diversity.

As I always say, the government schools have a mandated A.B.C. philosophy that is taught in the classroom => ANYTHING BUT CHRISTIANITY - Which includes courses for early sexual exposure to perverted morals by claiming homosexuality is normal, teaching kids how to have “safe sex,” terminate unwanted pregnancies, along with classes on pagan myths, New Age and Eastern religions, environmental welfare, and most importantly --> Mind-numbing indoctrination of evolutionary thinking so kids will grow up to recklessly live without accountability to anyone but themselves.

“ A FOOL has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart.” – Proverbs 18:2

As a result of the utter moral depravity among students, violence, crime, school shootings and murder/suicide tragedies are becoming commonplace in schools today, along with rape, molestation and other sexual crimes which are committed by teachers and students alike.

Sadly, now we can see the overwhelming evidence of how successful the public school agenda is since the majority of it’s graduates have completely adopted and embraced a secular humanistic worldview void of logic and reason. They affirm the system even further when adamantly reject absolute TRUTH and morality by accepting the lies of the culture that we evolved from slime and have no inherent value as human beings.

Brian Rohrbough, dad of a Columbine victim, recently made this bold and eloquent statement of TRUTH on CBS free-speech zone hosted by Katie Current which has naturally received an out-lash of publicity and negative criticisms from the mass media news sources:

"This country is in a moral free-fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value..."

Most of Americans have been systematically brainwashed and severely dumbed-down with Darwinian dogma by a Godless government school system, so much so that today people literally choose to be willfully ignorant, and blindly believe lies over the TRUTH because their foolish hearts are already hardened and their minds are utterly depraved!

“Like a dog that returns to its vomit, is a FOOL who repeats his folly.” - Proverbs 26:11

While FOOLISH Americans continue to be educated by the government and embrace a secular worldview, they must remember that a lie cannot sustain itself forever --> God Will Not Be Mocked & The TRUTH Will Prevail in the End!!!

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*Further X-Posure => BRAINWASHING THE CHILDREN: A GLOBAL EFFORT
=> PART 1 => PART 2 => PART 3 => PART 4

65 comments:

  1. I guess you need to call me a fool, then, since I was educated in the public school system.

    Fortunately for me, my parents also made sure I had a solid religious education and taught me to believe the Bible over the science textbooks when they contradicted each other. After having homeworks returned unsatifactorily for answering the way I was taught in the Bible, my parents told me to give the answers from the science book to keep up my grades. They also told me not to believe the mistakes in the science texts.

    Fools don't learn from mistakes; my parents were publicly educated and had a lot of hardships from sending us kids to public school. One into a premature marriage, one into a sinful life of cohabitation, and one into drugs and alcohol.

    Yes, I send my kids to a public school right now, but there are medical reasons why I cannot homeschool at the moment. I have homeschooled in the past and I will again once my mental condition is stabilized.

    Am I fool? By the definition of being educated in the public schools, yes. But by sound reasoning and doctrine I learned from infancy, no. The Bible is and always has been my first source for all things scientific, historic, and moral.

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  2. Keep in mind that Adolph Hitler is the one who coined the phrase of communist public education - "Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state."

    Not to nitpick, but I am a historian and I think that it is important to point out here that Hitler was a staunch anti-Communist who considerd himself a Christian. That is not to say that he reflects the values of other Christians, just that he's not a good example of "communist [and supposedly secular] puplic education."

    It's also interesting to note that Karl Marx, author of The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto declares this as the #10 plank -
    "Free education for all children in government schools."


    You may or may not like Karl Marx, but it is deceptive to put forth the argument that because Karl Marx suppoorted public education there is something inherintly evil about it. That's like saying, "Mussolini supported the construction of highways, therefore highways are inherintly evil."

    Marx was responding to a situation of extreme economic exploitation of the majority of people by the elite few who controlled the majority of the economic capital. The idea of free public education was radical in the mid-19th century. Marx saw it as a way to make sure that the children of the poor had the same opportunity as the children of the wealthy. That is a noble goal.

    I don't know what you have against Marx, but I have two guesses.

    1) You don't like that he was an atheist and that his version of an ideal society was an atheistic society.

    2) You don't like the atrocities that others have commited in the name of communism.

    The second idea is the easiest to dispel. The actions of Stalin and Mao do not reflect on Marx's character just as the actions of those who invoke the name of Christ when they commit atrocities, like Hitler, do not implicate Jesus or modern Christians. In fact, Stalin and Mao were really bad communists. They used their control of the political and economic systems of their countries to exploit the poor while they led lives of luxury. That would be the exact opposite of the communist ideal.

    The first point is a little more complicated. Yes, Marx was an atheist. He believed that the ideal society should be free of religious institutions, in part, because he believed that religious institutions had developed in tandem with the economic and governmental institutions which served to further the exploitation of the masses by the few. He believed that religious institutions were too closely connected to these other institutions and that they were, potentially, an agent for exploitative control.

    This is from Marx's Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right and it illustrates this point.

    "Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

    "Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

    "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

    Essentially, Marx was arguing that religious belief served those who would exploit the masses by giving them hope of an afterlife that was better than their life on Earth. The cost of admission to this afterlife was compliance with the rules of Earthly institution. Thus religion served to discourage those who would try to rebel against the system and improve their situation in this temporary life by making them believe that they were risking their fate in the eternal afterlife. Thus religion served to pacify, to some degree, the resentment and anger felt by the poor towards their exploiters, like an opiate pacifies and incapacitates an angry individual. Religion, in Marx's argument, only dulls the pain of our existance while encouraging us to accept the inevitablity of that pain, it does not serve to end the exploitative situations which cause that pain.

    You may not find Marx's argument compelling. Frankly, I think that it has a few holes myself. Religion can certainly be used to encourage passivity and compliance among the exploited, but it can also be used as a vehicle for resistance and social change. The point is, Marx didn't hate Christians, he saw religious institutions as being complicit in the exploitation of the poor of Europe and wanted to help them escape their exploitation.

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  3. You're totally right Dani. I can't believe I didn't see it before. They removed God from the schools in 1962, and everything has gone down hill since. People are having consensual sex with each other, SAT scores have plummetted (no more God slipping people the answers), and people even started look at other naked people on TV. All in 1962! And all these people educated in public schools haven't accomplished anything in the last 44 years. Medicine and technology have come to a screeching halt, and life is so much worse than it was before that fateful year.

    I have done some Christian research of my own, and discovered that 1962 was also the year that Jon Bon Jovi, Wesley Snipes, and Tom Cruise were born. I think there is an obvious conclusion here: Satan is here on earth in the form of the Jovi-Snipes-Cruise triumvirate.

    THEY MUST DIE. Go forth Dani, and slay The Beast. It's your duty as a Christian. It doesn't matter if you spend the rest of your life in jail, it's God's work. Please hurry!

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  4. Dani sez: "In 1962 the U.S. Supreme Court removed God and prayer in public schools and replaced it with secular and humanistic doctrine. Now, government schools are by law secular in their teachings, which means worldly rather than spiritual, or omitting God altogether. Not surprisingly, it was also beginning in 1962, that SAT scores drastically plummeted, while violence, crime, teen pregnancies, STD’s, teen suicides, out-of-wedlock births, pornography use, teen alcohol and drug abuse, and illiteracy rates abruptly increased 200 to 300 percent."

    Actually Dani, a quick look at US Census Bureau results shows a US illiteracy rates for all people over 14 of 2.7% in 1952. By 1969, and continuing on to the present, the rate is 1%. Once again, your dramatic presentations are undone by easily found facts.

    I'd ask where you got the foundation for your other claims in that paragraph, but I'm pretty sure you just went to "www.makingshitup.com" and went crazy.

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  5. Melissa - I went to public school too and I am almost recovered.

    If you believe in God - then you are NOT a fool.

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    Limpy - Illiteracy rates:

    This crisis of education is manifested in three levels of illiteracy: functional illiteracy, cultural illiteracy, and moral illiteracy...
    The United States Department of Education estimates that functional illiteracy, incompetence in such basic functions as reading, writing, and mathematics, plagues 24 million Americans. Thirteen percent of American seventeen-year-olds are illiterate, according to a recent issue of Time; the estimate for minority youth is an astonishing forty percent. Every year, at least a million of these functional illiterates graduate from America's high schools, the proud owners of meaningless diplomas.

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  6. You really are an idiot Dani.

    THE BIBLE.

    GOD DIDN'T SAY IT.

    I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

    AND THAT SETTLES IT.

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  7. "Typically, to say that a person is illiterate means that the person cannot read or write. But the word does have other senses. It is sometimes used of someone who is ignorant of the fundamentals of a particular art or area of knowledge. It is this broader meaning that is in view when, for example, we say that a person is musically illiterate. The word can also be used to describe a person who falls short of some expected standard of competence regarding some skill or body of information. In this last sense, a person who falls short of our commonly expected standard of competence in mathematics can be described as illiterate, even if he or she is quite competent in language skills."

    This is from your source Dani. As anyone can see, the author uses a much broader definition of illiteracy in order to make a point. I also noticed that the most inflammatory statistics came from groups under age 17 and seemed to be taken from inner city schools. I suspect that this author, (and I admit this is speculation on my part), had a point he wanted to make and cherry-picked the data to do so.

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  8. Yeah you stupid fundie, public schools have been generously educating children for hundreds of years. Here you come with your radical right wing views and want to brainwash your kids to be fundies like yourself this is despicable. Sure there are kids graduating high school that can't read but you have to take into account th psychological welfare of the kids....they need to be socialized! That wont happen whe your cramming your fundie religion down their throats, they will be taught to fear people and hate gays. and your kids wont read good because you need a degree to teach kids to read good. Kids need professionally trained people to teach them addition, reading and writing.

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  9. Maybe I'm just going out on a limb here, but could the problem be that we don't make our public education system much of a priority. I'm a high school teacher with certification in two subjects and two master's degrees. I make less than $40,000 dollars a year and I have to deal with outdated textbooks, overcrowded classrooms and a complete lack of outside resources while I try to prepare my students for the endless series of standardized tests that show how well a student can answer oddly worded multiple choice questions. I love my students, and that's the only reason I can keep doing it every day.

    I had to make a very difficult choice. I could pursue the career that was most emotionally fulfilling to me, teaching, or I could go into a field where I could make a better living. With 8 years of graduate and undergraduate education in business or engineering I could easily be making 3 to 4 times what I currently make. I had to choose to surrender my own financial security to become a teacher. That was not an easy choice.

    If wwe paid teachers a salary that came anything near what people with similar training make in other fields we would attract better teachers. Plenty of great teachers choose other professions because they need to pay their bills. The federal government has billions of dollars to spend on planes and missles, but we don't have any money to spend on our own kids? That's pretty sick.

    By the way, SAT scores go down because they keep making the test harder. I tutor SAT prep every day and I can tell you that the test is not easy. Go buy an SAT practice book and see how you do. You might be surprised at how poorly you do.

    By the way Dani, I respect you for homeschooling your kids. That takes an incredible amount of work. The public schools are broken and we do need to fix them, but turning the classroom into a pulpit is not going to solve anything. There is no reason that we should be using the public schools to indoctrinate children into any religion. Evolution belongs in the science classroom because it is fundamentally sound science supported by evidence and experimentation. It is no more of a "religion" than calculus. If you don't know what you are looking at it can seem counterintuitive, but once you understand the concept it is perfectly logical.

    Creationism does not belong in the science classroom because it is religion. Creationism presupposes a supernatural creator who is distinct and seperate from the physical universe. Science is a process for understanding the natural, physical world and any theory that invokes metaphysical agents is inherintly un-scientific. The schools should be teaching evolution, and parents who believe in creationism have every right to present that to their children as well. The worst that could happen is that the kid makes an informed decision.

    For those who suggest we should "teach both sides," I have to politely disagree. To begin with, creationism is clearly non-scientific. Beyond that, there is no reason why we should teach every angle that any person could possibly believe on any issue. The role of the teacher, administration, and school board is to make choices regarding which ideas to present and how to present them. Our goal is not to indoctrinate the student with whatever we happen to believe but to teach them how to examine evidence and draw conclusions from that evidence. Most creationist publications present only a few case studies that reveal more about the author's lack of comprehension of the theory of evolution than anything else.

    I also don't feel that I have any duty to avoid contradicting the belief systems into which children have been indoctinated. I would not "respect the personal beliefs" of a child raised by neo-Nazis who tried to claim that the Holocaust didn't happen. I have a duty to educate my students, not pander to their parents ignorance.

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  10. I was born in 1963, so the system that is described above was already well established. The reasons why I believe in God, is not because I don't believe in Evolution. For years I tried to make the two work together. Why? Because the Evolution theory was made to look like fact, this is what I was taught in public school. Truthfully I spent little time thinking about either, my time was spent on figuring out how to survive from day to day. I was diagnosed with dyslexia by 3rd grade. As hard as I tried I could not get a grip on reading and spelling. So they took me off to a little class room tucked away behind the teacher's lounge were I sat with the profoundly retarded kids. Here they just gave me things to do that made me feel like I was stupid or 4 years old. What I learned most from school was how to hide my short comings. I don't think I read more than two novels in all my years in school. I graduated on the honors role, and today I still don't feel like I deserved that grade, I don't know how I got through it. It was hell.

    My own daughter goes to public school because I know that I can not possiblily teach her everything. But I do home school in a sence. I am doing my best to make sure that she understands the truth. She will have to face a world that hates God, and I want her to prepare for that now. From the theory of Evolution to gay and bisexual education, she will no what is right and what is wrong. It will not be easy for her. I picked her up from school just yesterday and she looked like she was going to cry. A friend of her friend wanted to see her student ID, she said no because she felt he just wanted to steal her number, he called her a bitch, and it really hurt her feelings. This is how the godless talk now. Most of her friends are godless and are now starting to becoming Goth and worshiping others that have a fatalistic additudes and are even starting to talk about cutting their wrists! I am not sure how to even approach this, is it drama or something more deadly? This girl has an older sister that watches all the wicked horror movies that are out there. Her parents don't want her to, but than go ahead and rent them for her to see. Without God it seems like these kids are like flotsam on the open seas.

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  11. Sable, I'm sorry that the system failed you. You are certainly not the only person who has fallen through the cracks. I promise you that biology class is not what makes teenagers moody. Most teenagers who adopt counter-culture attitudes are doing so as a way of rebelling against their own parents because they feel that their parents don't respect them as adults. In much the same way, the children of athiests will often rebel by becoming involved in religious organizations.

    If you are concerned about your daughter, talk with her. Treat her like a peer, not a child. There is no way to go through this period without some conflict. Children must break from their parents in order to become adults in their own right, but by honest conversation you should be able to maintain your close relationship.

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  12. I'm still waiting for the post YOU wrote dani.

    "I was inspired to write this post:"
    What part of any of this did you write? Perhaps the part calling people fools. You sure have that skill down!!

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    I recieved a great education in the public schools here in the south. So did my siblings and my friends. Some, those with learning disabilities, struggled but they still received the attention they needed. Perhaps it was our parents who insisted on being involved and demanded the best for their kids. Parents cannot live it up to the schools to be the only source of learning.

    I received my religious education at home. Where I should. We were exposed to religions of all kinds in school though. And the Bible. Guess we were just lucky.

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  13. he called her a bitch, and it really hurt her feelings. This is how the godless talk now.

    No, that's how people talk. Look at the name calling in this one post of Dani's alone...obviously it's not exclusive to the godless. Would it have been better if your daughter was so sheltered that she never heard the word "bitch" until she was 19? Not that we should encourage kids to be mean, but the reality is that they will be whether we condone it or not, and it's better that they learn to deal with it sooner than later. Your job is to help them deal with it in a constructive way.

    This girl has an older sister that watches all the wicked horror movies that are out there.

    Noooo! Horror movies!

    I'd be more concerned about kids watching CNN (or worse, Fox News). Horror movies are clearly seperate from reality, while other sources of horror are not. In both cases, maybe talking with one's child about them, helping them seperate reality from fiction and right from wrong, is better than suppressing their desire for harmless entertainment?

    And do you REALLY believe that watching a horror movie will have long-term ill effects on a kid? There really are much worse things to worry about.

    I've been watching horror movies since before I can remember, and look how I turned out: self-motivated enough to pursue a PhD so I can help people and make the world a better place. To overcome the horror in the real world, in some small way. According to Dani that's probably a bad thing (I'd be better off becoming a serial killer and killing homos, right?), but really, listen to your heart on these things.

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  14. You see Dani, atheism frees us. I can just plop my kid down in front of South Park and not care because there is no such thing as right and wrong. Kids need to learn to deal with nudity and violence as soon as possible because that's what they will encounter in the real world.

    I can only see your sheltering ending in devastation. You need to stop being a fundie.

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  15. Reason,
    I think that more priority should be put on our schools and I think that our teacher should be paid more. I wish there was more art in school too.
    I don't want our public schools to teach religion. And I am not blaming our schools for alot of the bad things that are happening today.

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  16. Reason,
    I think that more priority should be put on our schools and I think that our teacher should be paid more. I wish there was more art in school too.
    I don't want our public schools to teach religion. And I am not blaming our schools for alot of the bad things that are happening today.


    I couldn't agree with you more. It has always baffled me why math and science take priority over other subjects. The arts always bear the brunt of budget cuts. Schools respond to financial constraints by eliminating theater, band and choral programs, cutting back on art education, and sometimes eliminating it entirely. The same kids bear the brunt of every budget cut. Personally, I think every student shuold take at least one semester of art history. It's just as important to have an understanding of our creative past as our literary past.

    Hey, tell your daughter that we've got her back. High school can be tough on kids, but the teachers really do care about their students. Otherwise we'd go get jobs that paid. She sounds like a smart girl, she'll be ok.

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  17. You see Dani, atheism frees us. I can just plop my kid down in front of South Park and not care because there is no such thing as right and wrong. Kids need to learn to deal with nudity and violence as soon as possible because that's what they will encounter in the real world.

    I've never really understood this, so maybe you could help me out. What's so bad about nudity? The only reason we are titillated by genitailia or the female breasts is that we're not ususally "supposed" to see them. Even if you really mean to say "overt sexuality," is that on the same level as violence? I just don't see it.

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  18. I have two children in public schools. One is a straight A student who just scored 1550 on her SATs and she is just a sopmore. the other child, handicapped and learning impaired, is in a job training class (learning to file) off campus, has learned to READ and WRITE, despite being told by doctors he never would. It is the dedication of their teachers and us (the parents)who got them this far.

    I say blame parents more than teachers. If a child is disprespectful, doesnt pay attention (except for medical disorders), etc, the root of the problem is often the home.

    My children are exposed to languages, art, music as well as the basics. They have physical education daily and their lunches are nutrionally sound.

    Public schools get too much blame for family problems.

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  19. embarrassed to be in the same species as youOctober 21, 2006 at 11:05 AM

    “(*NOTE: The following article contains harsh Biblical TRUTH and is not suitable for the weak-minded, ill-fated, and morally corrupt individuals who lack wisdom and understanding. So for all the atheists, agnostics, free-thinkers, pagans, phony believers, compromising "xtians" or pitiful preachers kids reading this post –-> Save your breath on this one because you will only demonstrate even further by proving your utterly debased mindset, ignorant thought process, and repulsive foolishness to everyone once again.”

    So that’s pretty much not suitable for anyone but You?

    Dani said...
    Melissa - I went to public school too and I am almost recovered.
    Recovered? – You’re the most fucked up person I’ve ever encountered…for a Christian I’m pretty sure that God would not want such a judgemental, holier than thou, know it all running around the world preaching her hatred. PURE HATRED.

    May GOD have mercy on your hypocritical soul.

    And God help those poor children that you are brainwashing. You remind me of Carries mother on the movie Carrie.

    Lol phronk….really horror movies omg…and Dani listens to Eminem.

    You really need to focus on getting your shit together, you sounded better as a messed up teen than you do as a 'born again'.

    Do you bleed red blood? Do you even have a heart?

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  20. Let's see, Dani says,"PUBLIC SCHOOLS PRODUCE FOOLS!" and "I went to public school too..." You do the math.

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  21. THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU

    THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU

    THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU

    THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU

    THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU

    THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU

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  22. Reason,

    Being a music teacher in training, I'd have to say that the issue of this unreasonably inflated value put on math and science (in the sense that it's done to the detriment of the other subjects, not that they are unimportant in any way) resonates with me as well.

    Administrators and faculty often know very little about many of the fine-arts (music, drama, visual art), which I've thought can lead to a few problems:

    1) They tend to view the subjects they do understand (math, science, history, english) as more important and, thus, more worthy of support/funding/etc.

    2) They tend to avoid checking in on their fine-arts teachers to verify that their teaching is up to standards. I've heard reports from a number of sources stating that some principles will often sit in on lessons in the more "comfortable" subjects and completely neglect those that they know little about.

    Arts educators are, therefore, often forced to advocate the value of their programs not only to the government and school boards, but to their own principals and faculty members.

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  23. I think I learned more from my language (French), music, and art classes that I actually use than in my math and science classes. Sure, I performed well in my electronics based job in the Army, but I'm now teaching scrapbooking at a national hobby chain store. Art in any form is not only soothing, but it aids in those "all important" classes such as math and science. I was a music student for 8 years of my school career and think that it really helped me concentrate more on my math work.

    As for funding, I totally agree with Reason that the teachers are not paid enough to do their job. It seems that only the really dedicated people who want to be there for the children perform above par. I had some truly outstanding teachers throughout my public school training and would go back to them for help or advice any day. I attended a Christian-run private school where the teachers were only interested in teaching the state required curriculum and the kids there weren't friendly with new students. I was a new student and felt completely isolated. IMO, the public schools where I could choose the kids with whom to be friendly and they recipricated the friendship was a better choice. I definitely didn't learn Christian values such as kindness in the private school.

    To this day, my mom still puts up with my sisters' actions and dismisses them as "a phase," while my actions will never be forgiven or forgotten. Unfortunately, this has taught me that not all Christian values are taught in the home. My mom has exhibited this by her show of hypocrisy and lack of forgiveness. I learned these elemental Christian values in public schools, not at home or private schools.

    There are downsides to homeschooling that many do not realize. There can be undue stress on the parent who is schooling the children, especially when there are medical issues with one or both parties. One of my older children who is currently in the public school has been evaluated for ADD/ADHD and came back borderline. He will be re-evaluated in the next month. I have a diagnosis of clinical depression for which I am under treatment. Combine a child who can't sit still and concentrate on his work with a clinically depressed parent, and there's more stressful situations than learning in that house. Most homeschooling parents try to get their kids out to socialize with other kids--usually other homeschooled kids--because they worry about their kids' ability to interact with others their own age. They are right to worry; kids need interaction with other kids outside of their own siblings. I have to wonder if this is happening with Dani's kids? Can they interact with other kids their own age? Do they know the current "lingo" or will they be laughed at for their outdated slang? Peer pressure can be negative, but there is also a great deal of positive peer pressure. Without public or private schooling, this peer pressure doesn't exist. Kids need this peer pressure to help them make decisions in their life about what is right and wrong. If the child has a solid home where communication is key, peer pressure shouldn't be an issue. These are instances where the public schools are a better learning arena!

    Don't use the public schools to shift blame on what's happening in corporate America. We live in a country where defense and big business "deserve" more funding than public education. I pose this question: what happens when the children of the poorly funded schools are running the country? If they don't have dedicated caring teachers like Reason, then we'll all in MAJOR trouble.

    Education starts in the home, but it doesn't have to stay there. Even the Amish, who are so set in family-oriented and simple life, send their children to a school house for education. Teach your children your religion at home and send them to church and Bible school. That's from where their religious education should come. The school system does not exist to teach the Bible; it exists to further the education started at home and to teach children how to cope with real world situations via hands-on experience.

    BTW, has anyone else noticed that Dani has only responded once in this and that was about "recovering" from a public school education and adding a quote about the literacy rates? Methinks she's in over her head this time.

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  24. embarrassed to be in the same species as youOctober 23, 2006 at 1:47 PM

    Melissa I have noticed that. It seems she blames all the 'bad things' she did as a child on the public school and everything that went on there. Where were her parents when she was out frolicking?

    I agree religion should be taught at home and in the church. The three R's should be taught in the school. UNLESS you are a qualified teacher. Children need interaction of children of all sorts to learn. If anything right from wrong, and not in the religious sense.

    Not every teen parties it up, is involved in orgies or having babies early. There are some that party and know their limits, and then there are those that party and just learn. Thats called growing up. If you happen to stumble across a religion to 'save' you, then fine. But dont sit there and think you're better than everyone else, and that everyone else is going to hell because they dont agree with you.

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  25. It's likely that Dani would have been unsuccessful in any public/private school setting she found herself in. She's not a critical or flexible learner and likely had immense difficulty doing the abstract thinking around corners required in most subjects. From my own time in high school and from my limited time teaching in schools so far, many students having significant difficulties learning tend to resort to systematic patterns of blaming to cope with the stress and guilt of failure. It is difficult to determine, from Dani's manner of telling the tale, whether the public school system failed her, or whether she failed herself. Perhaps a mixture of the two.

    As for home schooling vs. public/private schooling, both systems have definite advantages and disadvantages, really. The danger arises when those individuals that see/experience the advantages of one system assume that it is the only system, and then generalize about the faults of the other as a result. No real understanding of the issue can be gained through such an approach.

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  26. This was recently broadcast on a CBS free-speech zone hosted by Katie Current(remember Shark Tale?). It is a dad who used to have his son in public school and now his son hasn't been in public school since 1999.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2057068n

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  27. This was recently broadcast on a CBS free-speech zone hosted by Katie Current(remember Shark Tale?). It is a dad who used to have his son in public school and now his son hasn't been in public school since 1999.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2057068n


    He obviously has a right to his opinion, but it seems absolutely ludacris to me to suggest that Darwin murdered his son or that creationism would have saved him. His son was killed by a murderer, not the biology curriculum.

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  28. Melissa - BTW, has anyone else noticed that Dani has only responded once in this and that was about "recovering" from a public school education and adding a quote about the literacy rates? Methinks she's in over her head this time.

    No, actually Melissa I'm not in over my head, but I had to attend a funeral today and my head is just not into it.

    Further, since when does anyone care what I have to say? From past discussions, every time I offer answers to questions, everyone is quick to come back with some sort of nasty rebuttal, name calling or cruel uneducated insults about me, my family or my beliefs.

    Gee Wiz - for people who seemly hate my guts and don't value what I have to say, you all sure get upset when I don't respond to your foolish comments.

    I will agree with what Anonymous said earlier - Public schools get too much blame for family problems.

    That's right. The majority of problems children face are a result of poor family structure.

    BTW - Melissa, my kids get plenty of "socialization" through the interaction of all the children I do daycare for, plus all the activities we are involved in with neighborhood families and church members. I think they will survive just fine if they don't know the current "lingo", nor will they be laughed at for their outdated slang. There is more to life than learning how talk like a modern day punk.

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  29. "I will agree with what Anonymous said earlier - Public schools get too much blame for family problems.

    "That's right. The majority of problems children face are a result of poor family structure."


    While I certainly agree that public schools do not deserve to be blamed for most of th problems of American youth, it seems that you have reversed course on this issue. In your original post you said that:

    "Now, government schools are by law secular in their teachings, which means worldly rather than spiritual, or omitting God altogether. Not surprisingly, it was also beginning in 1962, that SAT scores drastically plummeted, while violence, crime, teen pregnancies, STD’s, teen suicides, out-of-wedlock births, pornography use, teen alcohol and drug abuse, and illiteracy rates abruptly increased 200 to 300 percent."

    "Just like prisons, public schools impose their will by force and compulsion, by teaching and promoting gang-rule, mob-mentality, severe competition, ultimate peer pressure, sick vocabulary, chemical dependency, emotionally disturbed ideas, sexual harassment, organized crime drug trafficing, and a variety of other delinquent and destructive behaviors which are contrary to the wisdom and instructions found in God's Holy Scriptures."

    "While our nations demise and the corruption of our youth cannot be completely blamed on government education, one must take into account all contributing factors to the increase of moral decay our country is experiencing. The government’s objective with public education is to completely usurp all parental authority, particularly Christians, and indoctrinate their children with a secular-humanistic worldview."

    So it seems to me that you can't have it both ways. Like I said, I've got no problem with you homeschooling your kids. That's your right as a parent. You can believe what you want about our public school system, but I can tell you that you the educators and administrators of our schools care for the future welfare of thier students more than their own financial well-being. I would gladly surrender my paychecks and live day-to-day if I could know that every one of my students would live a happy, productive life in which they maintained their thirst for knowledge. My students are my legacy and they matter more than me. So if you want to keep up this tone, I will be forced to take offense.

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  30. Melissa, my kids get plenty of "socialization" through the interaction of all the children I do daycare for, plus all the activities we are involved in with neighborhood families and church members. I think they will survive just fine if they don't know the current "lingo", nor will they be laughed at for their outdated slang. There is more to life than learning how talk like a modern day punk.

    My kids are taught at home what is acceptable speech and what is not. They may know the current lingo, but they don't speak like a modern day punk.

    So often neighbors and church functions are not enough for kids. They really do need the negative peer pressure to help them know how to make the correct decisions. I was raised in a home where my only social outings were church functions--not counting school here--and it was a rude awakening for me when I got out into the "real world" of jobs and such. I sincerely hope you are preparing your girls for life outside of home and all that entails. They need to know the dangers of illicit drugs, rape, and other real dangers before they leave home; not after when they're finding out from first-hand experience.

    When I homeschooled my kids, they were in the church's children's choir and their Sunday school classes. We also did field trips with other homeschooled kids. They still did not know how to interact properly with kids of their own ages. This is truly an advantage kids have when they go to school outside the home.

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  31. Reason - I'm sure you are a great teacher and more teachers should care about the students as much as you do. But from a Biblical perspective, Christian children have no business being educated at a PAGAN seminary. As I said, the majority of problems children face are a result of poor family structure, especially when that family sends them to public school.

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    Melissa - I sincerely hope you are preparing your girls for life outside of home and all that entails. They need to know the dangers of illicit drugs, rape, and other real dangers before they leave home; not after when they're finding out from first-hand experience.

    Don't worry - they will know about all the dangers, but I don't need to enroll them into a downtwon ghetto whore house for them to find out. My first-hand experience with all that stuff didn't help me be prepared, it only helped me become active into that destructive lifestyle, like I said, I'm still recovering from.

    I wrote this article a while back => So What About Socialization?

    For some reason I feel the need for my girls to be exposed to the perversion and wickedness of the world, I can order cable, put a television in their bedrooms and let them watch TV during the day where all of the humanists and HOMOS of Hollywood can pervert their minds and destroy their character just as the public school would do.

    My children know what kind of sick culture we live in and they know it is destructive. There is no way I would hand them over to the government so they can be dumbed down, corrupted, molested, and robbed of their childhood for the sake of 'socialization'!

    Of course living in America, it is almost unavoidable to be exposed to filth no matter where you go. But, while my kids are young, I will do my best to preserve their innocence because that's my job as a parent!

    Thanks for your concern though.

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  32. "But from a Biblical perspective, Christian children have no business being educated at a PAGAN seminary."

    Have you come in contact with schools that teach naturalistic polytheism? Because I sure haven't.

    The problem I have is that you condemned the public school system for not catering to your particular religious beliefs. The public schools are there to educate all Americans and secularism is the best way of trying to respect everybody's religious and ethnic backgrounds, including yours.

    There is a limit to accomodation. It is the duty of the schools to give students the best education possible. If your religious or social beliefs come in conflict with that education, it is up to the individual to sort it out.

    If you don't like it you can homeschool or send your children to a private school, but please don't start blaming the public schools for trying to educate everybody and to accomodate their widely divergent social and religious views as much as possible.

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  33. dani, what WOULD religious studies in a school look like?

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  34. Reason - The problem I have is that you condemned the public school system for not catering to your particular religious beliefs.

    Let me make myself perfectly clear: Public schools are fine for the secular kids of the world - but Christian kids have no place being educated in the government schools. It is irresponsible, disobedient and foolish for Christian parents to send their kids to be educated for 8 hours a day in a place where God is irrelevant to all the teachings!

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    Anon - what WOULD religious studies in a school look like?

    Read this => Pagan Religions Taught In Public Schools:

    Multiculturalism studies, environmental propaganda, and Save-the-Earth classes now indoctrinate children with New-Age religious beliefs, often without parents’ knowledge. Public schools sometimes try to sneak offensive pagan or new-age religions into their curriculum without parents’ knowledge under the guise of multiculturalism studies.

    In January, 2003, a group of parents sued a Sacramento Unified School District because certain teachers at their local elementary school were aggressively, and secretly, teaching anthroposophy, a religion that combines traditional Western religion with astrology and New Age religion. Pacific Justice Institute lawyers representing the parents indicated that many other public schools in California are now adding New Age and Eastern religions, including Islam, to their curricula.

    Below is only a small sample of the flood of “spiritual” sessions taking place in classrooms throughout the country:

    1. Altered states of consciousness: Teaching students to alter their consciousness through centering exercises, guided imagery, and visualizations has become standard practice in self-esteem, multicultural, and arts programs. They often encourage contact with spirit guides.

    2. Dreams and visions: After studying a pagan myth, students are often asked to imagine or visualize a dream or vision, then describe it in a journal or lesson assignment.

    3. Astrology: Countless teachers across the country require students to document their daily horoscopes. Others help students discover their powers and personalities through Aztec calendars and Chinese.

    4. Other forms of divination: Through palmistry, I Ching, tarot cards and horoscopes, students learn to experience other cultures and tap into secret sources of wisdom. Students in Texas were told to create a vision in their minds and “describe in your best soothsayer tones the details of your vision.”

    5. Spiritism: While pagan myths and crafts show students how to contact ancestral, nature, and other spirits, classroom rituals actually invoke their presence. California third-graders had to alter their consciousness through guided imagery, invoke or “see” their personal animal spirits, write about their experience . . . and create their own magical medicine shields to represent their spirit helper.

    6. Magic, spells, and sorcery: Many parents consider magic and spell-casting too bizarre and alien to pose a threat, yet gullible students from coast to coast are learning the ancient formulas and occult techniques.

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  35. Now, how would YOUR ideal school include religion? just christianity? comparative studies of all the major religions? wicca? when you have religious study with your children do you include other religions?

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  36. Since the article seems to imply that there is one scool in particular that was sued for this type of curriculum, I would be curious to read up on the case. You may be interested to know that the lawsuit was filed by a group called PLANS, the People for Legal And Non-sectarian Schools. Non-sectarian means that they want to keep all religion out of public schools via the Establishment Clause of the First Ammendment.

    Further, this lawsuit deals with TWO very specific Waldorf method schools in California and should certainly not be presented as if it were at all typical of public education in this country.

    The rest of your list is from Berit Kjos' Brave New Schools. Frankly, it is unconvincing without proper citation. Even with proper citation, these practices are limited to a few misguided or truly disturbed teachers and do not represent the system as a whole.

    Since you can use a single example to smear all of our nation's public schools, you should be able to use a single example to praise the public school system also. Let me explain some of the "religious" topics we cover in a high school history class.

    Christianity - We start talking about Christianity as a social force when it becomes significant to our discussion of the Roman Empire (2nd century CE). We discuss the "Chritianization" of Rome including the conversion of Constantine and the work of St. Augustine. Our discussion of the Medieval period is inexorably connected to an understanding of the social and political role of Christianity during this period. We devote quite a bit of time to the Protestant reformation. We discuss the role of Christianity and missionary practices in the processes of exploration and colonization. We discuss the role of Christianity in the founding of this country. We discuss the role of Christianity in the Civil War, the Progressive movement, Women's sufferage, temperance/prohibition, and the Cold War. Finally, we discuss the role of Christianity in modern world events including the modern creationism movement.

    Judaism - We discuss Judiasm very briefly in respect to Roman and Egyptian history. We discuss the anti-Jewish pogroms and Inquisition in the Middle Ages. We don't return to Judaism until we get to the Holocaust and the foundation of the state of Isreal. We also discuss Judaism in regards to modern events in the Middle East.

    Islam - We discuss the foundation and rapid spread of Islam in the 7th and 8th centuries and the Sunni-Shi'ite split. We then ignore Islam until the Crusades. We briefly mention Islam when we focus on the impetus for exploration in the 15th century. We effectively ignore Islam again until the late twentieth century.

    Hinduism - If we are lucky, we spend one day discussing Gandhi and one day on the India/Pakistan split and the ensuing conflicts.

    Buddhism - We only discuss Buddhism in regard to the Chinese occupation of Nepal in a current events setting.

    Greek, Roman & Egyptin Polytheisms - We discuss each of these breifly in order to help students better understand the social and governmental structures of these empires. I might spend two days on the three of these combined over the course of 4 years.

    It seems to me that, if anything, Christianity pervades the history curriculum while other religious traditions are only discussed in passing. That makes sense, since the vast majority of the cultures we study were controlled by a Christian majority.

    Trust me, I don't have any time for any crazy New Age naturalism or vision quests. I have actual work to do.

    I would argue that I am representative of the vast majority of public school teachers whose classrooms bear little resemblance to the straw man you have proposed.

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  37. Dani,

    I have read some of your posts on your other blog, and I think I see what the problem is.In posts like this one you blame the public school system for your rough childhood.

    Some quotes:

    With so much anger and pain from my parents divorce, I was destined for destruction anyway, no matter how I was educated! The public school was just a breeding ground for delinquents, and I fit right in.

    In my whole public school experience, I cannot recall a single “Christian” who made a positive impact on anyone. As for me, I could have cared less about sharing my faith...what faith? I had already been in the system my whole life, surrounded by thousands of other kids who didn’t know God and didn’t want to know God. I was not going to “risk” sharing my faith because that would ensure years of torment, harassment and ridicule. Plus, I was far more interested in boys to care about anything else.

    (Well, which was it? Were you a Christian who felt threatened or were you not interested in Christianity at the time?)

    Throughout the school years it only led to more drugs and more perverted sex. I started smoking pot, then graduated to acid, mushrooms, ecstasy, prescription meds like speed, then back to pot. I have damaged many, many brain cells along the way ~ Lord help me!

    Despite my mother’s efforts in taking us to church, the 1-2 hours a week were no match for the endless hours of indoctrination at public school. I was practically brainwashed! I guess that is what happens when you are placed in a godless education system for nearly 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 12 long years???

    I have to say that it sounds like you are blaming the public education system for the choices YOU made while you were a young person. No matter what anyone else does, we are all ultimately responsible for our own actions. It wasn't the public schools that made you promiscuous, or a drug user, or a bully. Those were choices you made with your own life. It's time to grow up and stop blaming others for your actions.

    The educators in the public school system do care about their students and do want to help people who are engaged in self-destructive behaviors. There is a limit to how much we can do. We can issue punishments, inform parents, suggest counseling (but not mandate it), and offer advice. We can't follow our students around all of the time to make sure they never do anything stupid.

    I'm going to make an educated guess that several teachers tried to intervene and help you out of your problems, but if you blew them off and continued to pass your classes, there's almost nothing that they could have done to force you to change. I'm also willing to bet that several of those teachers would have suggested that you go to your priest or pastor for support adn guidance. Teachers respect their students' religions, but many educators are religious themselves and would have no problem encouraging a student to embrace religion in their private life. Frankly, I'm an athiest and I've encouraged troubled students to talk to their religious leaders and become more involved in their churches and religious communities.

    So here's my advice. Most people have a screwed up childhood. Yours was pretty tame in comparison to most. My wife's father left when she was an infant. She was raised by a single mother and attended public schools. She turned out just fine. It was the CHOICES YOU MADE and not the situation you were in that led to your problems. Stop blaming everyone else for not saving you from your own stupidity.

    "But," you might say, "I was brainwashed with secular humanism that taught me that it was OK to take drugs and be promiscuous because life has no purpose." I'm sorry, but that's just not the case.

    First off, evolution does not rule out the idea that life has purpose. It is silent on the matter. The public schools respect the individual's right to find purpose through whatever means they like. For many, this is religion. Evolution teaches us how life works, religion and philosophy teach us the purpose of life.

    You seem to be about the same age as me (25-35). I know that when I was in 4th or 5th grade my school started bringing in police officers and other speakers to tell us about the dangers of drug abuse. Schools take the issue of drug use among students very seriously. I seriously doubt that, at any time during your education, any teacher condoned or glorified drug use.

    Your sexual promiscuity is not the school's fault either. The early age at which some kids become sexually active and the unwillingness of many parents to have open and honest discussions with their children about sex has FORCED the public schools into a position that they would rather not be in. We have to educate our children about the risks associated with promiscuous sexual behavior and the most effective ways of protecting themselves against that risk before they start experimenting. You're story is a prime example of why we need to have this education in the schools. You became sexually active in the 7th grade, but you didn't have any kind of sex-ed until the 9th grade. For 2 years you were engaging in high-risk activity without any knowledge of the risks or methods for protecting yourself.

    We are trapped between reality and what we think is best for our kids. The reality is that a significant percentage of teenagers are going to fall victim to hormones and bad judgement and become sexually active before they leave high school. Most parents and teachers would agree that it would be better if these students waited until they could make more mature decisions about their sexuality. Someone has to educate these kids about the risks and precautions associated with sexual activity. Unfortunately, that job has been thrust on the public schools.

    By the way, if you were going to suggest an "abstinence only" sex ed policy, you should check the studies. Schools with abstinence only programs showed significant increases in teen pregnancy rates and STDs. If they worked I'd be all for them, but they don't.

    If you are going to blame the public shools for being permissive of your bi-sexual experimentation, you are really grasping at straws. The effort in the public schools to encourage tolerance of homosexuality is a direct response to the alarming number of physical and verbal attacks directed at homosexual students and the incredibly high suicide rate among homosexual teens. Thanks in part to this policy, both of these numbers are dropping significantly. Whatever you might think about the morality of homosexuality, it is incredibly disturbing to think of all of the kids who were bullied, teased, and taunted to the point that they decided to end their own lives.

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  38. embarrassed to be in the same species as youOctober 25, 2006 at 9:19 AM

    *Stands up and applauds reason* That couldn't have been put any better.

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  39. I also applaud you reason.
    Dani knows very little about personal responsibility.

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  40. I've been trying to encourage conversations like this one on Dani's site for a while. It's good to see someone else chiming in on the subject.

    I suspect that her personal politics and religion stem from a forced dependence on her husband's opinions. This dependence, in turn, was developed during her formative years through the same poor choices under discussion here.

    The same desire to shift blame and responsibility for promiscuity/drug use/academic failure onto the public school system has manifested in a desire to place responsibility for her intellectual and spiritual decisions in the hands of her husband, who I further suspect has placed his in the hands of Bob Enyart.

    In discussions concerning religion and politics like the ones occurring on this site, many of the conversations are rendered meaningless by the fact that the founding principles upon which they are based are at odds with eachother. If a fundamental Christian argues that homosexuality is evil and dangerous, and another less fundamental individual argues that it is healthy and normal, the discussion has avoided the fact that both are somewhat predisposed towards certain answers, given their respective religious stances. If they are unable to agree on their religious beliefs, they will likely be unable to agree on many issues that stem from holding such beliefs.

    Even further, in Dani's case, it is often meaningless to argue the basic details of religion, since she has placed total control of her beliefs in someone else's hands. It's not her mind we're trying to change on religious matters, because someone already made up her mind years ago. The very founding issue, at the root of her belief system, is not the inerrancy of her bible; it's the innerancy of the religious beliefs of her husband, Curtis Kekoa, and her pastor, Bob Enyart. Her dependency on them is the key to everything else that stems from that point.

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  41. Reason…

    I have to say that it sounds like you are blaming the public education system for the choices YOU made while you were a young person. No matter what anyone else does, we are all ultimately responsible for our own actions. It wasn't the public schools that made you promiscuous, or a drug user, or a bully. Those were choices you made with your own life.

    No - I’m not blaming the public education system for the choices I made while I was young, but I am saying that going to government school contributed to a large portion of my delinquency and poor choices because I was not in the loving care and protection of my parents during the day. The main problem is not the public school itself, the main problem is a dysfunctional family at home.

    If you would have read further you would already know this => THE ROOT PROBLEM

    The educators in the public school system do care about their students and do want to help people who are engaged in self-destructive behaviors.

    You mean the few educators that care who are not having sexual relations with the students?

    I'm going to make an educated guess that several teachers tried to intervene and help you out of your problems, but if you blew them off and continued to pass your classes, there's almost nothing that they could have done to force you to change.

    Partially true – there is almost nothing that my teachers could have done to force me to change – but none of them really tried because I was the punk in the class that was determined to make their lives living hell.


    It was the CHOICES YOU MADE and not the situation you were in that led to your problems. Stop blaming everyone else for not saving you from your own stupidity. "But," you might say, "I was brainwashed with secular humanism that taught me that it was OK to take drugs and be promiscuous because life has no purpose." I'm sorry, but that's just not the case.

    I realize those were the choices I made, but if I wasn’t placed in secular humanistic institution all day for 12 years that taught me it was OK to take drugs and be promiscuous because life has no purpose and everyone else is doing it, then I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to make those bad choices.

    I am not blaming everyone else - I take responsibility for my choices and part of that responsibility is to warn Christian parents not to place their children in that kind of hostel environment every day.

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  42. So will you ever allow your kids to go to a mall, a movie, or just bowling without you? Will they ever be allowed to go on a date? how long will you keep them in cotton wool? What about driving? It's dangerous on the roads. Will they be allowed out after dark at all?

    Im just saying you can't protect them from everything.

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  43. Dani,

    I have absolutely no problem with you wanting to homeschool your kids. I admire you for your effort.

    I do have a problem with the way you characterize public schools and continue to blame your own problems on the school system. It still sounds like you think that public schools caused you to make bad decisions.

    You also seem very willing to condemn all of the teachers in this country based on the disgusting actions of a few disturbed individuals.

    The school system was not the problem, nor was divorce. The common thread of all of your problems is you. I am not picking on you, this holds true for everyone. Your environment might have been hostile to elements of your faith or permissive of certain behaviors, but the true test of character is how we behave when faced with adversity. There is no challenge to being honorable when it doesn't cause you any discomfort.

    I don't mind if you want to extoll the virtues of homeschooling. Personally, I think that there are plenty. I do mind when you are willing to slander the entire public school system based on a few isolated incidents and your own bad choices. That's not appropriate or honest.

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  44. Hey Dani......Just Popped in to see how the war was waging here this week...LOL... I wanted to see what new fact was pissing off the ranks of demons. For clarity I was educated in both public and catholic, (catholic first then public with afternoon religous instruction).

    Todays news items include the Muslim teachings in calif schools.... LOVELY! First they teach them how to be sexual then they teach them to be queer, now they are teaching them how to be muslims.

    The one thing I can see happening if they keep pushing the muslim teachings....The sodomites will go back into the closets. I truly believe if the muslims get ahold of our gov't it will be over for everyone and esp. the "PRIDEFUL" SINNERS!

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  45. "Todays news items include the Muslim teachings in calif schools.... LOVELY! First they teach them how to be sexual then they teach them to be queer, now they are teaching them how to be muslims."

    I think that there is significant confusion between teaching students ABOUT Islam, the historically significant socio-political movement, and teaching students TO BE Muslims.

    Most of the last 1300 years of history in the Middle East, North Africa, Western Asia, India, East Africa, West Africa, and even Europe require an understanding of the interaction between Muslims and other groups. In order to understand that interaction, students must have a working knowledge of the basic structures of Islamic culture. That's education, not indoctrination.

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  46. You mean the few educators that care who are not having sexual relations with the students?

    Dani...listen to yourself. You are fucking delusional. There are...what? Over 200 million people in the U.S. who went through the public school system? And how many have had sexual relations with teachers? Let's say we've heard about 50 cases in the news over the last generation. Let's say that for every case in the news, 99 others go unreported or ignored by the media.

    That gives us about a .00002% chance of any given kid being assaulted by a teacher. My numbers obviously aren't accurate, but my point is: The chances of a kid being raped in school is very, very, very, very small. You imply that the majority of teachers rape their students. That is simply not true...it is false to a laughable degree.

    Wake the hell up. Your kids have a better chance of dying every time you drive them in a car. They probably have a better chance of being molested by a family member. Like someone else said, you can't protect them from everything. Go ahead, homeschool them, that's your choice, but greatly exaggerating the risks of normal schooling is dishonest and idiotic. If the only way you can justify your choice to homeschool is through moronic lying and twisting of facts, then maybe you're not so sure of your choice after all.

    Stop watching the news and try actually thinking for yourself. If this kind of reasoning is what you pass on to your kids, you are the one hurting them. I'll repeat is so you understand: DANI, YOU ARE HURTING YOUR OWN KIDS.

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  47. Are you people for real?? You're quoting Adolf Hitler?!? A vicious murderer who commited worse sins than anyone of that time. And you quote him why?!?! What the hell is the matter with some of you?

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  48. Uber – It’s nice of you to psychoanalyze my life (yet again), but you really don’t know anything about me other than what you read on the internet.

    I suspect that her personal politics and religion stem from a forced dependence on her husband's opinions.

    Well, you suspect wrong. It is a bit presumptuous and arrogant of you to assume that you know all the intimate details of my life and my relationship with my husband, and then speak with some kind of authority on the subject.

    I think you have way too much free time on your hands, Uber and I suspect that you must be secretly infatuated with me or something, otherwise why would you even care? This is not the first time (or the tenth) that you have fabricated a story about my life and your childish schemes indicates that you really need to get a new hobby.

    You don’t know me from a hole in the wall, Uber – Don’t pretend like you do!

    The same desire to shift blame and responsibility for promiscuity/drug use/academic failure onto the public school system has manifested in a desire to place responsibility for her intellectual and spiritual decisions in the hands of her husband, who I further suspect has placed his in the hands of Bob Enyart.

    You suspect wrong again. I don’t shift blame on anyone and I have taken responsibility for me past failures by repenting and making sure that my children are not faced with the same situations that would ultimately lead to their poor choices.

    Perhaps you should read this => No More Victims


    So say these things to me as an insult, but I’ll take it as a compliment because I am not ashamed of my relationship with my husband and how he has helped me through various trials and been a spiritual leader in our family.

    I’ll give you a little clue about how a Biblical marriage works just to satisfy your curiosity. When a man and woman get married in the eyes of God, they become “one flesh”, united in mind, body soul and spirit.

    As Genesis 2:24 says - "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."

    While we are each unique individuals, my intellectual and spiritual decisions are the same as my husband as well as our pastor, Bob Enyart, because we are all likeminded believers, otherwise known as “fundamental” Christians who take the Word of God seriously. My husband and I are very thankful and consider ourselves to be extremely blessed to have a pastor who has devoted his life to learning Scripture and is able to share that Godly wisdom with us. We all need to learn from someone, that is why we have teachers – to teach us.

    As Jesus says in Luke 6:40 - “A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.”

    Who's your teacher, Uber?

    In discussions concerning religion and politics like the ones occurring on this site, many of the conversations are rendered meaningless by the fact that the founding principles upon which they are based are at odds with eachother. If a fundamental Christian argues that homosexuality is evil and dangerous, and another less fundamental individual argues that it is healthy and normal, the discussion has avoided the fact that both are somewhat predisposed towards certain answers, given their respective religious stances.

    The reason many of the conversations are rendered meaningless because the founding principles upon which they are based on are compromised and redefined to fit a worldly perspective or personal agenda. Either you are a fundamental Christian who takes the Bible literally or you are a phony believer or skeptic. There is only one Truth in regards to morals absolutes and those who are predisposed towards certain answers are either ignorant of the Word or rebellious towards God.

    Even further, in Dani's case, it is often meaningless to argue the basic details of religion, since she has placed total control of her beliefs in someone else's hands. It's not her mind we're trying to change on religious matters, because someone already made up her mind years ago. The very founding issue, at the root of her belief system, is not the inerrancy of her bible; it's the inerrancy of the religious beliefs of her husband, Curtis Kekoa, and her pastor, Bob Enyart. Her dependency on them is the key to everything else that stems from that point.

    This is yet another moronic statement which only demonstrates that you know absolutely nothing me or the Christian faith. While it will prove to be meaningless to argue the basic details of religion, it is not because I have placed total control of beliefs in someone else's hands – it is because I am 100% certain that my beliefs in the Bible are RIGHT!

    The very founding issue, at the root of my belief system, is the inerrancy of Bible which is also the root of my husband’s belief system and the religious beliefs my pastor. ALL of our beliefs stem from the same source – The Bible.

    So while you may think you have achieved some noble calling by psychoanalyzing my life to make me look needy and desperate, perhaps you should educate yourself more about who I really am before you make a FOOL out of yourself – AGAIN!

    I suggest you get your own life in order before you make false judgments about mine.

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  49. You made choices to be "bad". I can accept that you were influenced by other students but refuse to believe you were TAUGHT by teachers :
    Dani said:
    "it was OK to take drugs and be promiscuous because life has no purpose and everyone else is doing it,"

    I believe you exaggerate (I'd say lie but I'm trying to be nice")just to make your point. If its true then you need to go sue that school system.

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  50. Hey KC - Good to hear from you!

    Anon1- So will you ever allow your kids to go to a mall, a movie, or just bowling without you?

    Nope!

    Will they ever be allowed to go on a date?

    Not until they get married!

    What about driving? It's dangerous on the roads.

    Maybe - we'll see.

    Will they be allowed out after dark at all?

    Doubtful.

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    Anon2 - You made choices to be "bad". I can accept that you were influenced by other students but refuse to believe you were TAUGHT by teachers:

    You're right. None of the teachers influenced me in a "bad" way - It was ALL my friends who pressured me into doing drugs and having sex. Granted, those were still choices I made, but if I wasn't around the negativity of my peers for 8 hours a day, I wouldn't have been easily influenced or had the opportunity to make bad choices.

    As 1 Corinthians 15:33 says - Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."

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  51. So is it an arranged marriage? -probably. (I know you must be kidding).

    "my intellectual and spiritual decisions are the same as my husband" because your brain washed.

    Those poor poor kids.

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  52. "You're right. None of the teachers influenced me in a "bad" way - It was ALL my friends who pressured me into doing drugs and having sex. Granted, those were still choices I made, but if I wasn't around the negativity of my peers for 8 hours a day, I wouldn't have been easily influenced or had the opportunity to make bad choices."

    So, should we take this as a retraction of your condemnation and mis-representation of public schools?

    The opportunity to make choices, bad and good, is how we mature as people. The trick is to gradually expose kids to the consequences of their choices as they grow up. Hopefully you can keep them from making really big mistakes and let them learn to deal with their smaller mistakes themselves. Otherwise you run the risk of having adults who have the ability to make really bad decisions, but not the capability to understand what they are doing.

    I don't know how many children you have, but if you have 3 or more the odds are that at least one of them is going to be moderately rebellious. Those odds are actually significantly higher for your kids because they don't have another authority figure (like a teacher or a school in general) to rebel against. That child is most likely to be acutely rebellious between the ages of 15 and 20.

    So when that rebellious kid turns 18 and walks out your door in a rage and you can't do much at all to stop him or her, wouldn't you be slightly more comfortable to know that they already knew how to take care of themselves and make good decisions in bad circumstances?

    Or would you rather that they storm out of your house having never been allowed to sink or swim on their own and jump in over their heads?

    Neither of these are perfect options, but they represent the reality of family life in this country. You can't garauntee that your kids won't rebel against you, no matter how perfect you think your home life is. Most of these kids turn out just fine, but some don't.

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  53. good for you for stepping back from blaming teachers for your mistakes/bad choices.

    do you and your children get together with other homeschool children of similar/same beliefs?

    how does someone get married without ever dating? is there some chaperoned courtship planned?

    your life is beginning to sound a lot like many cult groups i read about. isolated, hating, thinking themselves better than other people. i hope not. truly. i hope you really do have some measure of independence in deciding what YOU want out of life, not just blindly following some preacher (or even your husband). i can pretty much guarantee that your pastor would dump you in a minute if it was in his best interests.

    you made mistakes dani. that doesnt mean your children will, even in the same circumstances. they deserve a chance to live life, not be robots.

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  54. Well, you suspect wrong. It is a bit presumptuous and arrogant of you to assume that you know all the intimate details of my life and my relationship with my husband, and then speak with some kind of authority on the subject.

    I don't claim to know all or even most of the intimate details of your life. What I do know is the story you recounted of the path you took to reach the spiritual place you're in now. You described a situation wherein your husband provided you with an ultimatum: Believe in his god in the same manner that he does, or lose his love. The ultimatum may not have been worded that way, but the meaning was the same. This situation came on the heels of a summary of your life which, as more people than me have noted, smacks of shirking responsibility for the majority of the major decisions in your life.

    So, if I hear you describe a formative time of your life characterized by poor decision making, foisting blame for your own actions onto others, and other obvious indicators of flimsy moral character, I cannot help but conclude that your giving in to what, by all appearances, seems to be a cruel and manipulative ultimatum delivered by your husband was a choice informed by your previous behavioral tendencies. In other words, judging from your own stories, you've copped out on your responsibilities all your life, and it would make more sense that letting your husband dictate your religious path would follow from that rather than from some strong moral conviction.

    This is the only topic on which I suspect I have any insight into. Otherwise, I do not know you from a hole in the wall, it's true. Nor would I want to, all things considered, so that eliminates your crush theory.

    So say these things to me as an insult, but I’ll take it as a compliment...

    My intention here is not to insult anyone, although I am well aware that my suspicions are not pleasant or agreeable to you. That said, you can take it as a compliment if you like, but that's more or less irrelevant to my discussion.

    While we are each unique individuals, my intellectual and spiritual decisions are the same as my husband as well as our pastor, Bob Enyart, because we are all likeminded believers, otherwise known as “fundamental” Christians who take the Word of God seriously.

    Certainly, but the issue I'm bringing up is that my suspicions about the psychology behind your decisions accounts for you feeling this way. It would make sense, if you were letting Curtis and Bob make your moral and spiritual decisions for you that you would attempt to rationalize this act by describing your situation as you have above.

    Perhaps you could help better inform me on this topic by telling me about some major ways that you disagree on some aspect of what your husband or Bob Enyart believe?

    The reason many of the conversations are rendered meaningless because the founding principles upon which they are based on are compromised and redefined to fit a worldly perspective or personal agenda. Either you are a fundamental Christian who takes the Bible literally or you are a phony believer or skeptic. There is only one Truth in regards to morals absolutes and those who are predisposed towards certain answers are either ignorant of the Word or rebellious towards God.

    In truth, this only confirms the statement that it is in response to: At the foundation of your religious beliefs is the view that anything that doesn't agree with your bible is false. Thus, you, and anyone else who differs on this point, will be unable to usefully discuss anything that stems from these respective equivalent views until they are reconciled. Until you decide that your bible is not entirely inerrant, or your opponent decides that it is, there can be no useful agreement on the logical conclusions that stem from such founding ideas.

    This is yet another moronic statement which only demonstrates that you know absolutely nothing me or the Christian faith.

    Actually, it demonstrates nothing at all about what I know of the Christian faith. It doesn't address anything to do with the Christian faith in any way. I'm talking about you and your relationship to your husband and Bob Enyart.

    While it will prove to be meaningless to argue the basic details of religion, it is not because I have placed total control of beliefs in someone else's hands – it is because I am 100% certain that my beliefs in the Bible are RIGHT!

    I heartily agree that you are, in fact, 100% certain that your beliefs in your bible are right. I also suspect that this 100% certainty stems from having placed control of those beliefs in someone else's hands. The doubts are not yours to have anymore, so why would you be any less than 100% certain?

    perhaps you should educate yourself more about who I really am before you make a FOOL out of yourself – AGAIN!

    You've had ample opportunity to convince me otherwise, Dani. Since you should know yourself better than I do, you're in a much better place to describe to me how I'm mistaken. Whenever you're ready.

    I suggest you get your own life in order before you make false judgments about mine.

    You haven't shown me anything yet to suggest that my suspicions are false. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong on this one. But regardless, how is my life out of order?

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  55. Dani does your husband sit behind you while you write in this blog?

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  56. ALL of our beliefs stem from the same source – The Bible.

    Well, there you go. So stop trying to convince us that your beliefs arose from science, logic, or common sense.

    You know, the more I read Dani's writing, the more convinced I am that she is a fictional personality, meant to poke fun at Christian fundamentalists. It's just too horrible to be real.

    Like, you won't let your kids go bowling? Seriously? Was that sarcasm? Because if not...I repeat...you are hurting your children. And where did you get this idea to forbid bowling? Was that in the Bible?

    And if not...you must have used some common sense or extrapolation from the Bible. Your own mind. Which, by your own admission, is fallible. So there is a chance you're wrong here. Even if the Bible is the infallible word of God, your interpretation of it is still open to flaws. Just like us atheists have been lead astray, even though we have read (or have access to) the Bible, you too may have been lead astray by your fallible interpretation of the Bible. The men around you are fallible too. We all have free will, which sometimes goes wrong.

    Please, please, please, for the sake of you and your children, just consider that just maybe not everything you believe is 100% true. Believe the Bible if you must, but don't always believe the interpretation that you and the men around you have overlayed on it. If there's even a tiny chance that you could destroy your kids' lives by taking the path you are going down, isn't it worth at least considering other options? If only for a moment?

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  57. Reason...So, should we take this as a retraction of your condemnation and mis-representation of public schools?

    No, not at all. And I did not misrepresent the schools in anyway either. The public schools are by law, Godless, secular and humanistic, and they are an incubator for delinquency, illiteracy, crime and immorality.

    Read this study => - Sex, Drugs, and Delinquency in Urban and Suburban Public Schools

    Fundamentality speaking, the public school system is inherently a bad idea because it is NOT the government responsibility to educate the children of a country. It is the primary responsibility of the parents to educate their own children, and when the government steps in and offers “free” education, naturally and consequently the parents become less and less involved.

    If parents don’t have to pay for their children’s education they are not likely to invest the time it takes to ensure that their children are receiving proper education. When education is free, along with the benefit of having a full-time daycare, parents become progressively more lazy and less concerned with what’s going on in their children’s lives. Surely you can see this happening at school?

    Whether you agree or not, the government’s objective with public education is to completely usurp all parental authority, particularly Christians, and indoctrinate their children with a secular-humanistic worldview.

    The trick is to gradually expose kids to the consequences of their choices as they grow up.

    So, is that why they are teaching sex-ed and homosexuality to students as young kindergarten these days?

    Hopefully you can keep them from making really big mistakes and let them learn to deal with their smaller mistakes themselves.

    Instead of sending my kids to public school each day, why don’t I just drop my kids off down-town in the inner city ghetto so they can will be exposed to the harsh realities of the world, and so they can have the opportunity to make mistakes on their own and deal with the consequences?

    According to your logic, the younger the better and the more exposure the better. Why not just let my kids watch violent R rated movies or porn all day long? That would really prepare them for the future, wouldn’t it?

    I don't know how many children you have, but if you have 3 or more the odds are that at least one of them is going to be moderately rebellious. Those odds are actually significantly higher for your kids because they don't have another authority figure (like a teacher or a school in general) to rebel against. That child is most likely to be acutely rebellious between the ages of 15 and 20.


    I have 3 children and plan to have several more. I would also like to see some statistics on that, but I will guarantee that all those kids who rebel go to public school.

    Christian homeschooling families generally do not have rebellious kids because the parents have been diligent as the primary authority figures in disciplining, teaching and training their children in the ways of the Lord, so when they are adults they are fully equipped for the battle.

    Scripture gives us a promise in Proverbs 22:6 - "Train up a child the way he should go, and when he is older he will not depart from it."

    I have four cousins who were homeschooled and they ALL turned out wonderful without any problems because my Aunt was diligent in how she raised her children and she was attentive to their needs. She loved the LORD deeply with all her heart, soul and all her strength. She understood God's commandments and pressed them upon her heart. She then impressed those commandments upon her children, and taught them of God’s holy nature all throughout the day. From the time my cousins woke up in the morning, to the time they went to bed, my Aunt was always there guiding them in the right direction.

    She home-educated each one of her four children from kindergarten through high school - And I'll tell you that NONE of them were rebellious, or have substance abuse problems, or engaged in immoral behavior. ALL four of my cousins are the most intellectual, sociable, well-grounded human beings and followers of Christ I ever had the privilege to know. ALL of them married in their twenties (partially arranged), and ALL were virgins on their wedding day. I can only strive for the same results with my own children.

    You can't guarantee that your kids won't rebel against you, no matter how perfect you think your home life is. Most of these kids turn out just fine, but some don't.

    You're right - I can't guarantee anything, but I can do my best as a parent to ensure that they won't rebel by training them in the right direction and being involved in every aspect of their lives.

    Read this => The Myths of Home Schooling and the Inferiority of State Education

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  58. Dani said:Whether you agree or not, the government’s objective with public education is to completely usurp all parental authority, particularly Christians, and indoctrinate their children with a secular-humanistic worldview.

    Prove this statement. With verifible, non-Christian facts.

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  59. Your very own beloved PEARLS said this:

    we addressed a growing concern: far too many homeschool kids are jumping ship at the first opportunity, throwing their Christian teaching to the wind and joining the world’s parade to hell. The first crop of homeschoolers has matured; the fruit is ripe; the time of reaping has come. It is not the day of judgment, but to many parents it feels akin to the Great Tribulation. Parents are seeing their own flesh and blood take on characteristics of the enemy. This is not a surprise to many of us. We have seen it coming for many years, predicted it in our writings, warned parents that carefully constructed religious teaching and withdrawal from worldliness were not enough. The fences parents build are able to constrain children when they are young, but the time comes, around sixteen to eighteen years of age, when the kids have the power to choose and act for themselves. Every parent holds his breath

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  60. Anonymous said...

    Dani said: "Whether you agree or not, the government’s objective with public education is to completely usurp all parental authority, particularly Christians, and indoctrinate their children with a secular-humanistic worldview."

    Prove this statement. With verifible, non-Christian facts.


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    In 1936, the National Education Association stated its position, from which they have never wavered; “We stand for socializing the individual.”

    The NEA in its “Policy For American Education” stated, “The major problem of education in our times arises out of the fact that we live in a period of fundamental social change. In the new democracy [we were a Republic] education must share in the responsibility of giving purpose and direction to social change. The major function of the school is the social orientation of the individual . Education must operate according to a well-formulated social policy.”

    Paul Haubner, specialist for the NEA, tells us, “The schools cannot allow parents to influence the kind of values-education their children receive in school; . that is what is wrong with those who say there is a universal system of values. [Christians?] Our (humanistic) goals are incompatible with theirs. We must change their values.”

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  61. Here are a few more "proofs" with verifible, non-Christian facts that the government’s objective with public education is to completely usurp all parental authority, particularly Christians, and indoctrinate their children with a secular-humanistic worldview:

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    Professor Chester M. Pierce, M.D., Professor of Education and Psychiatry at Harvard, has this to say, “Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well -- by creating the international child of the future.”

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    Former Senator Paul Hoagland of Nebraska: “The fundamentalist parents have no right to indoctrinate their children in their beliefs. We are preparing their children for the year 2000 and life in a global one-world society and those children will not fit in.”

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    Charles F. Potter, in the Humanist Review magazine said, “Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism. What can a theistic Sunday school's meeting for an hour once a week and teaching only a fraction of the children do to stem the tide of the five-day program of humanistic teaching?”

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    Joe R. Burnett, the editor of The Humanist Magazine in 1961
    said, "Public education is the parochial education for scientific humanism."

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    P. Blanchard, in 'The Humanist” 1983, continues: “I think that the most important factor moving us toward a secular society has been the educational factor. Our schools may not teach Johnny how to read properly, but the fact that Johnny is in school until he is 16 tends toward the elimination of religious superstition. The average American child now acquires a high school education, and this militates against Adam and Eve and all other myths of alleged history.”

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    John J. Dunphy wrote in the Jan/Feb 1983 edition of The Humanist, “The battle for mankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom . The classroom must and will become the arena of conflict between the old and the new - the rotting corpse of Christianity and the new faith of humanism.”

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    Now do you believe me?

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  62. No. The majority of the quotes above are editorials--opinions of a particular person or organization. Not government agencies usurping the parent.

    The NEA is the country's largest Labor Union...not a government organization. So using it as an example of how the "government" is usurping parental authority does not work.

    Show me how the "government" (Congress, the President) has usurped parental authority.

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  63. Dani, you are an utter moron. One post after another betrays the fact that you simply do NOT know what you're talking about, regarding public schools (or much of anything else, for that matter).

    Just because YOU spent YOUR years in public school doing little but whoring around does NOT mean that's what everybody does there. And it does NOT mean that that is what is taught and promoted there.


    Wow. Just... wow. You sicken me.

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