(Re-post from 2006)
*NEVER FORGET THE INNOCENT LIVES THAT WERE LOST ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001
The follow-up to the most provocative
9-11 documentary on the market today. This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government.
Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day.
~ Click here to watch Loose Change - Final Cut ~
*IT IS EVERYONE'S DUTY TO VIEW THIS FILM!
MARTIAL LAW9/11: THE RISE OF THE POLICE STATE
A documentary film by Alex Jones.
Evil has spread across the land. Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State exposes the high-tech control grid that is being set up across America.
*LEARN THE TERRIFYING SECRET THAT HOLDS THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD IN ITS GRASP!
9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!
*Update 2008 => MUST SEE FILMS!
Please don't tell me you lend any serious credibility to that Loose Change absurdity.ReplyDelete
Dani, I am beginning to realize that you are a totally confused person, blinded to Truth by hate, anger and pride. My prayers are with you, that the scales covering your eyes may be removed.ReplyDelete
vI don't think the US Government did it, I'm nowhere near that cynical. However,I do believe that it is incredibly similar to the Reichstag Fire in that it has been used for evil political ends by unscrupulous, twisted Fasicsts.ReplyDelete
On another note: It's been 5 years. By all means remember it, but don't go around saying "A dark shadow was cast across the soul of America" (as I read somewhere). It's insulting to nations that have lived through decades of terrorism, it's almost as if the US suddenly woke up one day and realised there was terrorism. I can say this because I am British, and my nation has lived through the IRA (back when the US Government didn't think terrorism existed), the Blitz et al.
It would seem you get your news and gather your resources from Coast to Coast and the Art Bell fanaticsReplyDelete
Na, some of the Art Bell stuff has a shread of decent journalism to it this 9/11 conspiracy stuff is simply ridiculous. I tried to be open minded with what these guys had to say but there are just way too many basic problems wrong with their assertions to make them at all credible.ReplyDelete
Bob - So do you actually trust our government?ReplyDelete
What part of the videos seem ridiculous?
You should really watch both of them before you come to a final decision about whether or not they are credible.
They both blew my mind!
Must've been a small explosion Dani.ReplyDelete
Sorry. Couldn't resist the straight line.
Very funny Limpy! ha-ha-ha!ReplyDelete
Seriously though - did you watch either of these?
What do you think?
LOL ---> Limpy99 Oh, Snap!ReplyDelete
Dani, I've seen Loose Change in the past. It's "experts" have long been refuted by far more credible sources.
I also laughed at the Martial Law video.
This all really reminds me of these folks.
Vile-lol good linkReplyDelete
Now, now, it's one thing to say that the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are bunk but another altogether to give unreserved trust to the gov't. As for what is wrong take for example the "Top 10 Reasons the Hijackers are Fake" video. About half of the charges are outright ridiculous the others need to be supported by some serious evidence or sources.
As for the ridiculous claims one of them was: "How come there were no autopsies done on the hijacker's bodies?" No autopsy means there were no hijackers! HA! Well, lets just think this through here supposing there were hijackers and they did slam into the world trade center with 747's the explosion from the initial impact alone would leave their bodies burned beyond reckognition nonetheless the following collapse of the towers themselves. To perform an autopsy on the hijackers would be impossible because the hijackers bodies would be unidentifiable. Charred body parts don't come with labels saying "Hijacker body part".
Another area was his challange to the phrase heard "Allah ackbar!" being shouted by the hijackers before death. Supposedly he has some expert who says this is not what is proper for a Muslim to say before death. I think this is simply a false authority, from what I understand of Islam and jihadist acts "Allah ackbar!" is very common before a suicide attack.
There's plenty more to say but this is just to show that if two of his alledged reasons are simply absurd and scream of bias then the others are suspect as well. The other points raised do deserve more research and I can answer them but to do that fairly would require more time than I really want to spend on talking about 9/11 theories...I'd rather talk about Free-Mason conspiracy theories frankly, they have more reality to them.
In short these conspiracy theorists are amateurs...just amateurs. There are far better conspiracy theories out there...these men are amateurs.ReplyDelete
Bob - According to the official autopsy report - none of the alleged hijacker's names are even listed.ReplyDelete
Furthermore, assuming there were hijackers that crashed the planes - how do you explain this => At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive?
I challenge you, Bob to watch “Loose Change” all the way through before you write these guys off as amateurs.
the ones alive were ones who failed to get on the planes (there were other targets but those jerks-the ones who survived-screwed up, didnt get on their planes in time).ReplyDelete
the official autopsy report listed only the victims.
. The WTC Towers did not collapse due to plane hits or fire. " ... they were crippled by controlled emolitons that were well planned in advance."ReplyDelete
2. Flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon.
3. The crash site in Pennsylvania was not caused by Flight 93.
These and other idiotic remarks were made by Kaminski and Thorn. I'm assuming you either read their stuff (based on what you said about the autopsy-which Kaminski wrote) or believe.
Do you really think that our govenment (with the aid of Israel--you forgot to blame the JEWS!) delieverately murdered thousands of Americans?
My......I think it's like second uncle...once removed.... died. He was a police officer. Strange, for such a distant relative, mom sure was close to him. I remember him promising us that the first time we visited New York City he'd show us the sites...never had the chance....shame....oh, um, well, anyway, his body was never recovered. It's very hard to do an autopsy report when there is no trace of your body left. You have to realize that that event caused heat that was hotter than the center of the earth. The terrorist's bodies probably didn't even stay together in the crash. By the time the buildings had collapsed, they had probably been turned back into dust. There's a bit of a dark, sick irony there, but anyway, that's most likely why they were'nt provided in the "autopsy report."ReplyDelete
And I don't mean this in a mean way, just a realistic way, but I don't think president Bush is really smart enough to even execute such an operation like that.
Do you really think that our government delieverately murdered thousands of Americans?ReplyDelete
YES - MONEY & POWER!
Do you really think that the towers made of steal collapsed by jet fuel in less than one hour?
How come there was no evidence of any plane wreckage from flight 77 or flight 93? Do you really think jet fuel evaporated those planes into dust?
Josiah - Clearly Bush is an absolute moron - but lucky for him, his daddy knows important people going back several generations. Watch "Martial Law 9/11" and find out exactly what I mean. Creepy Stuff!
The fuel from the jets was a contributing factor to the collapse of the towers (and yes in that time frame).ReplyDelete
"However, the building was not able to withstand the intense heat of the jet fuel fire. While it was impossible for the fuel-rich, diffuse-flame fire to burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel, its quick ignition and intense heat caused the steel to lose at least half its strength and to deform, causing buckling or crippling. This weakening and deformation caused a few floors to fall, while the weight of the stories above them crushed the floors below, initiating a domino collapse."
link to a good article about why the towers collapsed as they did.
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Ok, here’s my commentary on the marshal law movie. There is this assertion that somehow our rights have been revoked (possibly arguable from patriot act) this is presented in an alarmist fashion that the US has become some sort of police state. The reason why there were police guarding the Republican convention in 04 was because as you can see if you pay attention there were thousands of anti-war Bush haters out there. I lived in CA and to be honest I wouldn’t be surprised at all if an assasination attempt would be made by some of these radicals. The assertion is also ridiculous to say people were put in “concentration” camps who protested. Um, were people put to forced labor? Burned alive in ovens? Gassed? No? Well the label “Concentration camp” is an ad hominem mudsling.ReplyDelete
Also there are all these references to the high amount of surveilance in NYC at the time…wonder why? Oh they fill in the blank: the US is now just like Orson Well’s 1984! Funny I don’t at all feel as though my rights are being violated, nor privacy invaded, seems to me that surveilance is very reasonable due to the fact that a massive amount of US leaders are gathered in a particular locale in the wake of terrorist attacks. And yes it makes perfect sense to remove radicals from the vicinity of the convention for safety purposes…they can go stand and whine about how much they hate George Bush anywhere else to do it in the vicinity of the convention puts an unnecessary risk to the politicians at the convention. (These previous comments are based on the fast paced super hype at the beginning).
The guy’s getting statistics from a cab driver! Stats on how many New Yorkers left town b/c of the convention (first the cab driver says 50% later he says 80%), and how many like Bush (10% says the Cab driver). Good journalism! He does a good job playing the victim too with the people not wanting them to tape, off camera the guy if you hear what the cop said had been asked several times to stop, of course we only see when the cop blows up on him.
Next, more rambling about the “police state” and surveilance and theories about world takeover. Now the corperate connections is interesting and so far the best thing he has said, the FUJI surveilance blimp. He then begins to interview protestors, um I’ve been to protests in SF heard the same rhetoric “Bush is a liar!” no surprise that they all have conspiracy theories against Bush. I mean come one you got people outside this thing burning effigies of Bush screaming hatred against Bush and you think it is unreasonable to have people with machineguns guarding this place Dani?
Good night look at all the wing nuts at this thing the communist party. What does this really have to do with the Bush 9/11 issue (The communist idiots I mean)?
Bush is close to the Saudi’s…so what? What president isn’t we need an ally to get our oil from don’t we? To say that gov’t used Bin Laden in the past does not at all justify saying that they had foreknowledge of 9/11, that’s a big leap. No new news that the US trained Bin Laden either. It still does not follow that the US used Bin Laden in the 9/11 attacks that needs to be established so far the logic is, the US used Bin Laden in the past therefore they must have used him for 9/11.
Anyway, the main thing I do agree with though is the fear of corporations and their power. Many corporations now have full on police forces, and really they are the ones who have the power to enforce laws and what not. Anyway I will watch the rest but I wont comment, there are assertions made that I simply need to look into and can not render a responsible verdict yet.
Bob - Be sure to finish Martial Law to the end. Most of your questions and criticisms should be answered.ReplyDelete
Trust Me - You'll be glad you did.
Dani, if you watch the Nova special Why the Towers Fell, you will have all you need as far as the science behind the WTC collapse.ReplyDelete
I was just going to recommend that show VB, good call. Dani, I tried watching the videos, but it's just too much. Suffice it to say I don't think the government had anything to do with the attacks, and the "evidence" on these videos has about as much credibility as a Bigfoot tape. Listen, I'm no fan of Bush, but these conspiracies are just off the wall.ReplyDelete
VB - Where can I find that movie?ReplyDelete
I went to google video and it didn't come up. Let me know and I'll check it out.
Limpy - what's too much? You sure are quick to criticize without having seen the videos all the way through.
Perhaps Bob can give you a thumbs up or thumbs down since he watched them?
Dani, you'd probably have to rent/buy it or pull it off the internet as a torrent. One way is legal while the other is not. Up to you really- the science behind the special is VERY tight and the only current theory that isn't addressed is the newer, wacky, thermite bomb theory.ReplyDelete
I agree, I am quick to criticize these theories. But I have no interest in trying to prove them wrong, as that just lends them credence they don't deserve. As always, believe what you will. I'm not going to try to persuade you otherwise on this one.ReplyDelete
I want to echo limpy, I really am open to saying the gov't did do these attacks I really don't have some sort of naive-patriotic support of the US gov't. Now I watched that Loose Change film, and yes they do raise some interesting questions. However, these challanges are answered, I would point you to a show done the other day on Democracy Now where the Loose Change makers have a round table discussion on 9/11 with 2 men from popular mechanics. They have answers to the most fundamental challanges presented in Loose Change. The 2 kids from Loose Change end up playing a kind of shell game when challanges are made to some evidence of theirs they say "What about X?...(X is answered)...well what about Y?"ReplyDelete
It's not an airtight rebuttal but a start. The main problem I have is their sources use in loose change, these were for the most part early reports where there was confusion surrounding the attacks, they use these confused reports to get the viewer to also think outside of the accepted theories. Again I don't really care one way or another who did it. Oh and from the hip with the Bin Laden video, he used his right hand because that is what you are supposed to do in that culture.
DANI I AM SENDIMG YOU A NEW PIECE ON 911 SENT FROM PASTOR BUTCH.... VERY ENLIGHTENING.ReplyDelete
Thanks KC - I checked it out.ReplyDelete
Here it is for others to watch => Dutch Video on 9/11 (only 15 min.)
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I will jump in and say that in 2006 Dani had similar videos up on the 5th anneversary of the 9/11 event. I watched them with an open mind, there were a number of things that stuck and haven't been answered. This led me to look into it more, and there just is more and more red flags pointing to at a bare minimum the attacks being allowed to take place, if not outright inside job. I will point the skeptics to the following facts:ReplyDelete
1. Go to the FBI web page and look on their most wanted list. You will see Osama Bin Laden, oddly enough in the list of crimes the Sept 11th attacks isn't listed. Why?
The FBI has responded to this saying there isn't enough evidence. I find that very odd and disturbing considering our entire foreign policy has been altered supposedly to "get Bin Laden".
2. Why did building 7 come down at 5 that evening? NIST now 7 years later says it was because of fire. This neither explains the anatomy of the collapse (it collapsed into it's own footprint) or the anomaly of the first steel frame building in history collapsing soley due to fire.
3. Why has the gov't only released 3 frames of footage of what hit the pentagon? There were 86 different cameras that had their video confiscated and they have only released 3 frames.
4. Why did Bush stonewall any investigation into 9/11 for over 2 full years? the 9/11 commision was formed primarily due to pressure from victims family members.
5. What about those alleged hijackers? They miraculously recovered the passport of at least one (it went out of his baggage, through the fire ball and wreckage and onto the street to be recovered by agents) why were none of their names on the flight manifests? Even more pertinent is where they got their money.
There are many other things that I could bring up but these are just obvious ones. You can live in denial and delusion and keep engaging in cognitive dissonance. Or, you can look at the facts and let them speak for themselves.
I want to thank you Dani for putting this stuff up, you opened my eyes to this and have led me to completely change the way I see things politically. Thank you.
Oh and btw I like the "Zeitgeist" coverage of the 9/11 myth the best, it goes point by point and shows how ridiculous the official story really is. I mean seriously you guys, do you think some people living in caves pulled this off?ReplyDelete
They board planes and overpower dozens of people with box cutters, then with their smattering of cesna piloting experience dive the 737's with deadly percision hitting all but one of their targets, one of their passports flies out of the wreckage unscathed to incriminate "who done it" later on. Both the towers although designed to withstand the impact of not one but 2 hits from an even larger plane eventually collapse, followed by the collapse of a building that wasn't hit by anything.
All because of a mastermind in a cave with a laptop.
i'll admit to being sceptical about how exactly this all went down.ReplyDelete
I don't think the us gov orchestrated it, as to pull off something this big without a single whistleblower coming forward seems like a stretch.
I do agree however, that they were either inncompetant or implicit in impeding the investigation. The fact bush and co stonewalled the investigation for so long just boggles the mind - though it does fit in with how they've handled so many other crises for the last 8 years.
There's a lot of things we can't (at least right now) explain - the 'offical' story about the pentagon still seems full of gaps for example, but there's at least one point of bob's that i disagree with. The collapse of tower 7 does seem to make sense the way it has been explained.
I read the coverage when the official report was released recently, and the science fits. The clincher was that it didn't come down soley due to fire. There's some video that's been released that shows a sizable amount of debris from one of the main towers hitting it.
In essence, the building was hit by a building, and that's gotta cause some structural damage.
Thanks for the reply, and for being open minded on this hard to face issue. I have in the past viewed things like Vietnam, Iran Contra, billions "accidentally" missing from the defense, Haliburton's no bid contracts, and yes sept 11th for example as bumblings. But after a while when there is such a streak of bumblings and they all have a certain pattern about them, you start wondering if these guys aren't just idiots and perhaps they have a different agenda, and based on that agenda these things are not bumblings at all.
As for building 7, there were other buildings closer than building 7 to the towers that collapsed and none of them collapsed due to falling rubble. Just look at the video of the building 7 collapse it falls directly into it's own foot print, at the rate of gravity. This simply defies physics of an unintentional collapse, for it follows the path of most resistance. Rather in controlled demolition the path of most resistance is eliminated through well placed charges allowing the building to collapse in on itself doing no damage to surrounding structures.
I would reccomend architect Richard Gage's lecture if you want a more scholarly/scientific look at the collapse. NIST has changed their story on the collapse entirely now because their initial explanation of half the building being scooped out due to the collapse of the other towers is so obviously false (as the building was clearly in tact when it collapsed).
In addition there were eye witnesses such as Gary Jennings, who recently died of unknown causes, who saw explosions in the building while evacuating prior to the collapse of either of the two large towers. Just youtube WTC 7 Jennings and you should see his testimony.
Thanks Bob, I'm glad you were able to look into this further and conclude that the official story put out by the US government simply doesn't add up.ReplyDelete
American Guy, you're on the right track to question this, just keep looking into it for yourself, and you'll find the truth behind the attacks. If you have the time (and haven't already) you should watch the two online documentaries I posted in the OP, Loose Change & Martial Law - they both reveal a ton of info.
Here are a few more interesting facts about 9/11 that you can look up for yourself to confirm:
=> There were several pre-9/11 warnings from around the world – British, French, Egyptians, Italians, Russians, Indians, and Israelis to name a few who all warned the US of an attack from the Saudis.
=> Prior to the attacks, several public officials throughout the country were told not to fly to New York city on 9/11.
=> Bush’s youngest brother, Marvin Bush was in charge of WTC security. Coincidentally, Marvin’s 2 year term expired on 9/11.
=> NORAD: The North American Aerospace Defense Command was told to stand down for the first time in 50 year history for 1hour 25min on 9/11 because they were told that this was a mock drill. That’s right, NORAD was trained for over two years to respond to possible terrorists attacks on the WTC by planes flying into the buildings. Yet, the official report states that no one could have possibly envisioned an attack of this magnitude.
=> During the time when all US air traffic was grounded, the Bin Laden family with over 160 members were all flown out of the US back to Saudi Arabia.
=> The FBI & CIA were ordered by Bush to back of Bin Laden family.
=> The BBC also reported the collapse of building #7 20 minutes before it actually happened.
=> Building #7 housed the government offices of the CIA, Department of Defense, FEMA, US Secret service, Office of Emergency Management, and Securities & Exchange Commission. Because this was the cities main command bunker (and was likely used to oversee the attacks), it was over engineered to withstand thousands of degrees of fire for days at a time, yet, exactly like the twin towers, it also collapses cemetrically as though it were a controlled demolition with free fall speed and is pulverized into dust. But building #7 wasn’t hit by jets, the collapse was claimed to be a result of supposed debris and a few minor fires, making it the first steel framed building in history to ever collapse by fire.
=> The first two steel framed building in history to ever collapse by fire were buildings 1 & 2 of the WTC - All three on 9/11.
=> In the past 50 years, over 100 uncontrolled fires in skyscrapers around the world burned for days, even weeks at a time, yet never even came close to collapsing.
=> The owner of the WTC buildings, Larry Silverstein, took out an insurance policy 2 months prior to 9/11 and made $3 Billion dollars as a result of the collapses. Good timing, eh?
=> The architect of the twin towers went on record stating that the buildings were designed to withstand multiple jumbo jet strikes.
=> At the Pentagon there has never been positive identification on 757 plane parts left at the scene, and there has still never been any video footage released to the public showing a plane hitting the building. The size of the hole from the impact shows that it's impossible for a huge plane to have crashed into it, then also evaporated into dust.
The US government must really think we are a bunch of mindless morons to believe their "official" bogus story. With all the high tech military equipment and sophisticated technology on the planet that we have at our fingertips, are we really that naive to assume that our government cannot find some douche bag with a towel on his head hiding out in a cave? Come on now...
Again, thanks a lot for being bold about this stuff, your posting of these videos a couple of years ago was what started my questioning and has ultimatly led to the shattering of the fake left right 2 party scam, there really is an elite planning the events of the world. I know it's hard to tell the truth about these matters because the environment the elite have created in the media. If you even question the official story people have been programmed to call you a nut, kook, fringe loon, or unpatriotic. In short all they can do is call us names because if this becomes a rational debate they loose.
Which is why I am pretty impressed with Jesse Ventura and how he has just owned every media puppet when they give him air time. It's simle rational questions Jesse puts forward.
So again thanks Dani, and may God help us through the financial 9/11 these guys are waging right now.
I covered this debate before and I believe the video comes from foreign sources (propaganda from countries that hate us) if it is the same video.
This is an archive of a board that I use to be on and we debated it but I couldn't find a lot of evidence for conspiracy theories.