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June 12, 2006

Jesus: A Delusional Schizophrenic or God Himself?

On this previous post of mine a woman who identifies herself as, As always... Rachael said several things to me, but she ended her comments by saying - “It is not okay to judge others.”

Ironically, her ENTIRE comment was completely littered with judgments of me and my radical views, calling me bossy and arrogant, ridiculously naïve, and so on. Unbelievable huh? Better watch out for the hypocrisy in your own statements Rachael, before you say we shouldn't judge others!

Of course, that is a whole other topic because we already know Jesus said - "JUDGE WITH RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT".

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Moving right along...

Rachael also said this, and I thought it was worthy of devoting an entire post to, so here it is:

“To claim that you have found the only "key" to ultimate truth is a respectable leap of faith, but it's arrogant as hell to try to push your beliefs on to other people...So acting as if you have found the only path is offensive.”

Well good, it should be! The TRUTH is offensive, haven't ya heard?

As Jesus said, "Blessed is he who is NOT offended because of Me." - Matthew 11:6

Jesus made extraordinarily arrogant claims about Himself. Either Jesus was a delusional schizophrenic who also happened to be a good man, or He was indeed who He claimed to be - God in the flesh.

Jesus said - "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life!" - John 14:6

If Jesus isn't God, then how do you explain all of His "I AM" statements throughout the Gospels? No other religious figure in history has ever made such outrageous claims about themselves to be God. Muhammad, Buddha, Gandhi or any other religious leaders have only claimed to be prophets or good teachers, never God Himself. (Well - atheists think they are God, but that's another topic.)

Jesus also made these extremely arrogant claims about Himself...

"I AM the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world." - John 6:51

"I AM the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." - John 8:12

"I AM One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.” - John 8:18

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.” - John 8:24

“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” - John 8:58

"I AM the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" - John 11:25-26

"I AM the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." - John 15:5

Jesus Christ is also the ONLY religious leader who sacrificed His own life out of love for His followers (John 3:16). If Jesus is NOT any of these things, then He would be an absolute lunatic in need of serious mental attention and Christianity would be worthless. But if Jesus is who He says He is...isn't it worth your time to find out if it's actually true or not?

You can read a detailed description about who Jesus really is and His life on earth here => THE BOOK of JOHN

82 comments:

  1. What go me about the Deb-Dani posts was the sheer hatred that people collectively dumped on you. Sure you weren't very diplomatic but for God's sake, people literally started cursing and frothing at the mouth (kinda like those demon posessed people in the Bible, makes you wonder). It was like this mass feeding frenzy. The only civil one was Deb and a few bystanders.

    I don't think most non-Christians actually care what Jesus said. A lot of people create a fantasy Jesus that is all loving and tolerant (ie will never call them on their behavior or hold them accountable for their choices). I call this "Kumbaya Jesus".

    Sure Jesus was very loving and Kumbaya but if you read the book of Revelation, it reveals his masculine nature as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. The Jesus of Revelation is not very Kumbaya at all.

    For a religion that people claim is nonsense, Christianity sure sets people off...

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  2. Do you have any idea how many sons of God have been falsely hospitalized with this so-called "psychizophrenia?" It's a disgrace. Luckily all of them are still able to preach the gospel and continue talking to God.

    Amen to that.

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  3. I guess when you know the truth this stuff isn't that big of a deal, but if you don't know it this stuff is pretty offensive. Maybe I've been a believer too long or out of touch with the world to long. If the salt loses its saltiness ... Ya, go ask the meat not the salt if the salt is still salty.

    ~Jef

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  4. JC may be "The WAY"...But I AM THE WALRUS!..coo-coo-ka-choo...

    J Lennon, a prophet

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  5. Oops, almost forgot to mention that a lot of these nice prophets (sons of God) in mental hospitals are being monitored by the CIA on secret cameras and microphones.

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  6. Wait...so...when he says he's God, that's literally true. When he says he's a vine, that's a metaphor. But how do you know which is which? Is there a special decoder ring that comes with the Bible to tell metaphor from reality?

    Also, this post completely fails to address the comment it purports to spring from. What you do is arrogant because it is not 100% certain that your beliefs are true (i.e. it takes a leap of faith). Your post provides no evidence that your beliefs are at all true, let alone that you have found the incontrovertiblely true path to knowledge. Ok, so your beliefs are offensive, great, but what's that have to do with truth?

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  7. Phonk - Yes, there is a special decoder ring that comes with the Bible to tell metaphor from reality, but to you it will all seem like foolishness so don't waste your time struggling to try and figure it out.

    My beliefs are offensive because they are true. The TRUTH is offensive otherwise you wouldn't get all worked up over what I write. Think about it - if I were lying, you wouldn't really care what I say. Of course it does take a leap of faith, but like I've said before, I do not have blind faith. My faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen. Jesus Christ claiming to be God is either completely insane or it's absolutely TRUE - you pick, then we can go from there.

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  8. I don't get worked up, because I have the decoder ring. It was in my box of Bigot Bran Flakes.

    Yum.

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  9. Well, your whole blog is about being worked up about other peoples' beliefs. So I guess my beliefs (e.g. fornication rules) are offensive to you. If everything that's offensive is true, then my beliefs are TRUTH too. But uh oh! They can't both be right!

    And I'm not worked up because I have even a shred of belief in what you say. I'm (mildly...it's not like I'm shaking with fury here) worked up because I think you're saying horrible, evil things that are so obviously false that I can't help but point out their flaws.

    Also: Your dichotomy is false ("Either Jesus is crazy or he's God"). There are plenty of other options. Maybe what Jesus said was exaggerated or mistranslated. Maybe Jesus was speaking purely in metaphors (get out the decoder ring!). Maybe he believed what he said was true based on the evidence he had, but was not crazy. Sane people hold false beliefs. Everyone believed the earth was flat at one point, but they were not all crazy.

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  10. Jesus did speak in metaphors and I also believe he literally claimed to be God.

    Jason, maybe you should write a letter to God and get it all out. You seem to be very angry and resentful of something but you never come out and say it.

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  11. Wait...so...when he says he's God, that's literally true. When he says he's a vine, that's a metaphor. But how do you know which is which? Is there a special decoder ring that comes with the Bible to tell metaphor from reality?

    Yep, it's called the Holy Spirit. When you are filled with the Holy Spirit, the Bible comes to life. Also it doesn't hurt to be sincere and study things out.

    When you are filled with the Holy Spirit, it changes your mind and how you think.

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  12. Suaviter in modo, Fortiter in re, “Gentle in how, Strong in what”
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    As we courageously endure the opposition of a godless world, we bring glory to God.

    "The wicked flee when no man pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion" (Prov 28:1).

    With that being said...God calls us to speak truthfully.

    The gospel is offensive to lost sinners who wish to think they are “masters of their fate,” the “captains of their souls.”

    The Lord extends great mercy yet there are extraordinary consequences for not following in His footsteps.

    "Woe unto them who call evil, good and good, evil who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter" (Isaiah 5:20).

    While being born again gives us entrance into heaven (Rev 21:6), the life of self-denial and sacrifice secures in totality our eternal inheritance inside of heaven (Rev 21:7).

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  13. I don't think your views are radical at all. People have been quoting the bible for a long, long time... and homosexuality is an age-old controversy. I see nothing new or radical about your views.

    Secondly, I did not intend to appear in judgment of you. I didn't CALL you anything... I said things like, [that] "SEEMS more bossy and arrogant than devout"... and "that STRIKES ME as ridiculously naive." At no point did I slap you with these labels, I merely expressed my two-cents... see the difference?

    Heck, I didn't even say your viewpoints were "wrong".... I merely expressed a few of my opinions. Disagreement does not equal judgment.

    Here is where I'm coming from: Religious beliefs are innately personal. How (or if) one chooses to worship is probably one of the most personal decisions of ones life. I think investigating the various paths to "enlightenment" is the RESPONSIBILITY of the seeker. I DO NOT think that it is okay to "convert" any more than I think it is okay for terrorists to blow themselves up just to kill a few christians/jews!

    From where I sit, the only reason to bother "converting" others is to beef up the collection plate, or prepare for war. If you're happy with the path you've chosen, why not just be happy? Why on earth does it matter what other people believe?

    I don't stand in judgment of you... I'm actually saddened that a friendship is being dissolved other this disagreement! If friends can't agree to disagree, what hope is there?

    I will never ever get on-board that there is but one path! That's like saying rapping kids' knuckles with rulers is the only way to teach math.

    What if there were only one way... and what if your way is wrong. What if the Jews or the Muslims are right instead? Do you believe YOU should be persecuted for following your religion in a faithful and pious manner? Of course not! I agree with you on that one. You shouldn't be denied any glory because you picked a path a vehemently stood by it... and neither should anyone else.

    Even the Christians can't agree. That's why I believe that anyone insisting they've found the only path is exhibiting arrogance. I think we have a responsibility to ackowledge other possibilities... otherwise we'd quit searching, quit learning, and risk becoming stagnated. Beliefs should change and grow. Unless you were brainwashed as a small child, I'm guessing your personal understanding has changed and grown over time and that's how you achieved the righteousness you currently enjoy. There might be a deeper level of understanding out there... you never know... But it cannot be achieved without an open mind. And there's nothing wrong with taking the scenic route. There's value in the journey.

    Regarding the issue of homosexuality, I don't fully understand it... because I'm not gay. But I would never condemn someone for it. I don't believe it's a choice. Who on earth would volunteer for a life of judgment, persecution and random acts of violence? Who would volunteer to spend their childhood feeling painfully different? Who would volunteer to be charged with a secret so controversial that they couldn't even tell their family and closest friends until they could no longer stand it?

    It's not like being gay is a walk in the park. I don't understand it, as I said, but I can certainly empathize with how that must feel. I don't believe anyone's going to hell for being true to themselves... especially when it concerns something as intimate as sexuality.

    Love trumps hate every time... not that I'm accusing you of hatred. I just wish that you'd open your mind enough to consider alternatives to the beliefs you currently hold as true. There's certainly no harm in asking questions... we wouldn't have be designed as sentient beings otherwise.

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  14. I linkedya up Dani...I figger anybody that can stir up dis much shit gotta be worthwhile...

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  15. What gets me is that people get offended if you aren't into the 'all paths are valid' ideology.

    Jesus said he is the way to salvation and I believe him. Jesus offends because he is essentially saying that there is no salvation outside of him - but if people think that's awful and offensive then they should take it up with him.

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  16. Welcome MyQuestioningMind, nice to have you here. Great comments!

    Thanks Steveo - that's awfully nice of ya!

    Rachael - I'm sure you did not intend to appear in judgment of me, but just because you didn't "CALL me anything directly" or "slap me with these labels", doesn't mean you weren't judging me. When you say things like, [that] "SEEMS more bossy and arrogant than devout"... and "that STRIKES ME as ridiculously naive" is still making a judgment on me. And since you believe we shouldn't judge others, you become a hypocrite by your own standard.

    Personally, I don't care if you judge me, and I welcome your opinions and disagreement - just don't end your comment by saying "It is not okay to judge others" because your entire argument crumbles to the ground in half a second.

    Judging is fine, so long as you judge with righteous judgment. Those who are of the world cannot judge because they have been condemned, but - "He who is spiritual judges all things...for we have the mind of Christ."(1 Cor. 2:15-16)

    I agree with you that religious beliefs are innately personal and investigating the various paths to "enlightenment" is the RESPONSIBILITY of the seeker, but if your way is the wrong way, you should continue seeking until you find the Right Way. There can only be ONE path to Righteousness - All the other various paths lead to death and destruction.

    I don't blame you for thinking that the only reason to bother "converting" others is to beef up the collection plate, or prepare for war. You're right - the majority of church leaders have a financial agenda which forces them to compromise on Truth and welcome various other paths of "enlightenment" while leading millions astray by a false conversion. But true believers have no other motivation in "converting" others than to bring glory to God and so that unbelievers may have hope for their lives.

    You said - "If you're happy with the path you've chosen, why not just be happy? Why on earth does it matter what other people believe?"

    Think of it like this - One day, you receive this amazing gift which changed your life forever. This was not the kind of gift that was a quick fix "feel good" gift like a hit of ecstasy, this was the gift of eternity. All of the sudden, the doubts, worries, insecurities, and resentment in your life were washed away and replaced with eternal Truth, fulfillment and happiness. This gift also removed the blinders on your eyes and allowed you to have supernatural insights to the spiritual world around you while forever living in assurance of knowing the Truth.

    If knowing the Truth makes you happy and gives you an overwhelming sense of joy and "enlightenment" - Wouldn't you want to share the Gift with others around you so they can truly experience the happiness you have? If you knew other people believed in a lie, wouldn't you want to tell them the Truth? How will they ever know if someone doesn't tell them?

    Regarding the issue of homosexuality, I don't fully understand it either, but I know it is a sin against nature and an abomination to God. What more is there to understand?

    I don't fully understand murderers, adulterers, rapists, kidnappers or pedophiles either, but I will still condemn them for what they do because it's a Sin and it's Evil - Whether it's a "choice" or not, we all have a free-will to choose to do what is Right.

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  17. "...awfully nice" ?!?!?...ain't dat one a dem oxymoron fuckerz?

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  18. I mean...az opposed to neurotic-Christian?...jus aksin'

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  19. Regarding the 'Righteous Judgement' concept, I think judgement can have several connotations:

    1) Looking down on someone else in a critical, scornful fashion due to a perceived shortcoming.

    2) Discerning between what is good and evil, right vs. wrong, godly vs ungodly, ethical vs. unethical.

    #1 is bad. That's what the Bible means when it says 'judge not lest ye be judged'.

    But #2 is necessary and varies from person to person depending on their beliefs and worldview.

    ApostolicBunnyLover [redid my blog]

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  20. I figger if we didn't "judge" people..EVERYBODY'D be livin' with us...

    "Judge not...lest ye be judged.."

    ..ain't that da same thing az.."what goes around comes around"?..Whenya say it like that it don't sound so...OMINOUS

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  21. That's it. I'm convinced, where do I sign up? This isn't a time-share thing though is it?

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  22. Jesus said he is the way to salvation and I believe him. Jesus offends because he is essentially saying that there is no salvation outside of him - but if people think that's awful and offensive then they should take it up with him.

    I tried, but he wouldn't return my calls.

    Oh...maybe because he's DEAD.

    I don't get why some of you bring up Jesus and God as points in your arguments. These points are nonsense to people who don't believe that God and Jesus (currently) exist. Even the Christians who argue against you don't believe that YOUR version of God and Jesus exist. So it's completely meaningless to invoke them as authorities on anything.

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  23. I knew that you were being overdramatic about sending your kids to public school and I was right. Here's a nice school where you wouldn't have to worry about the crowd they hang out with.

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  24. Well, Phronk I agree with you. If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, the scriptures aren't going to mean a hill of beans.

    You can't make somebody a Christian through force or persuasion anyway. Jesus draws people to himself and all I can do is support them in that process.

    To me Jesus isn't dead - I communicate with him all the time. Also at my church you can feel the presence of the Holy Spirit and you can feel the Holy Spirit moving through the congregation. I have had experiences with other spiritual entities that were malevolent and so a lot of what the Bible says makes sense to me in that regard.

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  25. I notice no one has addressed Rachael's point about Judaism and other religions. They have "true" religious texts that claim they are following the one and only chosen path- so why don't you believe those? Have any of you ever read them or about them, just to see a different point of view? You say you believe Jesus- but why don't you believe Mohammed? How do you know YOUR path isn't the wrong one?

    Dani, if you were truly interested in TRUTH then you would examine the bible like historical scholars do. They examine different translations, editions, carbon-date the original texts to find out when they were created and if there were discrepancies- they examine the language of the Bible and try to figure out if THIS line really sounds like it was written by John, or if it was written by someone else and inserted later for their own purposes... like when Constantinople hijacked Christianity and incorporated paganism into the religion in order to make it compatible with the most people so he could use it as a tool to get people on his side.

    I suppose you could argue against the historical scholars (who understand that the Bible was written by PEOPLE, and that no matter how infused with the Spirit they are, people are fallible) by saying that God guided each of those writer's hands... all of them. How many different people wrote the Bible anyway- it's at least one for each Book, right? So that's what, 20-50 different sources? And you truly believe every single one of them was divinely guided.

    If there is a (Christian) God, and there is one single statement in the Bible that was directly inspired by him, but rather by some human's agenda, I think he would be extremely upset if a Christian quoted that statement as truth and didn't look further to understand God's TRUE meaning underneath the wrods.

    Even if you dismiss all the points I made above, there's one thing you can't deny because you stated it yourself. You said the Bible was only translated once- but notice how both languages you mentioned (Greek and Hebrew, I believe) were NOT the language Jesus originally spoke in- which was Aramaic. So even the ORIGINAL version of the Bible was NOT direct quotes of what Jesus was saying!!! And if you've ever studied another language, you know how many different words have multiple meanings in different languages!! For example- when Jesus says he is the son of God (which I believe was added to the Bible when Constantinople hijacked the religion and wanted Jesus to be divine, not a mere mortal- but I digress) technically the original word that was used COULD'VE actually meant "Man"- in a "human race" sense. So everytime Jesus said he was son of God, he could've actually been saying he was the son of man, the human race- quite a different interpretation, eh?

    And what do you think of the new evidence suggesting a reinterpretation of the whole Judas thing- that when Jesus said "one of you will betray me" he was commanding one of them to do so, not predicting!!

    Basically when you start examining the Bible objectively with an eye towards understanding the truth behind it- you realize everything in there CAN'T be taken literally, because the people who wrote it did so years after the actual events happened, in a different language.

    If you really wanted to know the truth Dani, then you would read the Bible in the original language it was written. How else could you quote scripture and know that what you're quoting is what God actually meant by that statement? And not just a twist some corrupt priest threw in there to manipulate people to his own ends? It's not like someone would have to alter the original statement to do that- just translate it a certain way to imply things that may not have been implied in the original language. Like I said, if you've ever studied another language, you know how easy this is to do.

    I personally think Jesus was a great man who had many wise things to say, and that the Bible has many great stories from which one can learn and develop good morals. I just choose to look beyond the surface of the language into the deeper meaning of what he was trying to say, the spirit of at all- and to critically examine any stories or statements that seem out of character for Jesus (like this whole judging thing)- because chances are it wasn't Jesus saying that, but some Roman trying to hop on the Jesus bandwagon and confuse poor people like you who choose to interpret the whole thing so literally.

    And that is why throwing Bible quotes around is an ineffective way to get your point across. Jesus wanted you to think for yourself and challenge authority that tells you there's only one way to God. THAT WAS HIS WHOLE POINT- that one didn't need a Church to reach God, one could speak to God at anytime, by himeself, at home, wherever he wants- not just through a Church or some "divine" authority.

    Maybe you should take Jesus's lesson to heart and start examining the dogma and whether it truly fits in with Jesus' main message- love- rather than accepting what is spoonfed to you by some pastor and a hopelessly muddled text.

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  26. I'm curious to know what religion you are practicing? Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Orthodox?

    Because some of the things you're saying aren't really making sense to me.

    I'm Catholic -- the divine religion and I'm curious to know where your beliefs are coming from.

    Thanks.

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  27. P.S. If God were truly so set against homosexuality- wouldn't he have made it a commandment? And yet he seems to prioritize murder and other things... hmmm, at least he has his priorities straight!!

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  28. Jrae-
    Actually Jesus like most Palestinians at the time was probably bilingual. Greek/Aramaic. That's why the NT is in Greek Paul, Peter, and John all spoke and wrote in Greek. Nice try though.

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  29. There are tons of study tools on the net for studying the scriptures.

    While I don't agree w/jrae on all points, I am frustrated by Christians who can't substantiate their beliefs other than saying 'that was what I was taught' and quoting a few scriptures.

    On the other hand, being a Christian involves having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, not just studying a dead book like you would a scholarly text.

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  30. Well right, but how can you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ if you don't understand what he was truly saying?

    Bob- yeah but do you know which language he was speaking when? Do you know if the Bible is directly what he said, or just what some other people said he said? And do you disagree that most of those people wrote their books years after the actual events happened?

    My underlying point is that you can't take the Bible literally because it has been translated and reinterpreted many times since the actual historical events that it is based on. Even if the Bible was a direct Greek transcript of Jesus speaking in Greek- Dani is quoting her scripture in English- already allowing for multiple interpretations and different possible meanings from the original Greek.

    This is why it strikes me as absurb when people quote scripture to prove their point- as if they're actually quoting Jesus/God!! In fact, you are quoting some monk who translated the original Biblical texts. I don't understand how people reconcile the whole "people are human, sinners, fallible" and yet accept the Bible as fundamental truth when it was written by sinning, fallible, humans.

    It's exactly what Jesus was against- allowing a Church to interpret and contact God for you, rather than you having a direct relationship with God yourself. It's why Jesus was so revolutionary, he was liberating believers from the oppression of the Judaic Church!!

    (Which is why I dislike the argument some anti-Christian people make- "Jesus was a Jew, so how can Christians be against Judaism?" Jesus was rebelling against Judaic authorities...)

    It's sad that his message has been twisted by corrupt people in power to do exactly what he was liberating us from.

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  31. Jrae said-
    "yeah but do you know which language he was speaking when? Do you know if the Bible is directly what he said, or just what some other people said he said? And do you disagree that most of those people wrote their books years after the actual events happened?"

    These are good questions. Well I have reason to believe that the recordings of Christ's sayings in the gospels were His words because:
    1) they were recorded by firsthand witnesses (the apostles).

    2) There also is the harmony of the gospels Matthew, Mark, and Luke are almost identicle in content. All four gospels have the same major events: walking on water, calming the sea, feeding the five thousand and of course Christ's death and ressurection.

    3)Also there are many prophetic fulfillments made by Christ that simply could not be fabricated or would have been easily disproven if they were false:
    a) Messiah would be of Davidic lineage. See the geneology of Jesus in Matt and Luke (one is of Mary and the other Joseph's)

    b)The Messiah would suffer for the sins of many (Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22)

    c) The Gentiles (non-Jews) would come to God through the messiah. (Most conversions to Christianity have been Gentile)

    4) Christ himself prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem (Matt 24) which happened in 70 AD. Matthew's gospel was written roughly a decade prior to the prophecies fulfilment.

    These all have to do with the internal testimony of scripture. ULTIMATLY no argument will convince you of the scriptures reliability God by His Spirit must give you eyes to see and a heart to believe. No one doubts whether Socrates existed nor whether we have a fair rendering of his teachings recorded through his pupil Plato. Even though there are thousands of copies of the NT documents all nearly identicle, and we have only a handful of Plato's writtings claiming to be Socrates' teaching it is the NT that is challanged. I think because the Bible has a message that we naturally hate ("there is no other name under heaven by which men may be saved except the name of Christ Jesus" Acts 4:12),
    where Socrates' message really isn't a big offense to natural man.

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  32. Also Jrae-
    You really can't consistantly maintain the statements you are making, you said:

    "My underlying point is that you can't take the Bible literally because it has been translated and reinterpreted many times since the actual historical events that it is based on.[...]This is why it strikes me as absurb when people quote scripture to prove their point- as if they're actually quoting Jesus/God!! In fact, you are quoting some monk who translated the original Biblical texts"

    Ok so you have made a stance that we really can't know what Jesus really said, or know what God really has said because monks have messed things up in their copying (simply untrue) to the point that we now don't know what the bible really ever said.

    Then you say:

    "It's exactly what Jesus was against- allowing a Church to interpret and contact God for you, rather than you having a direct relationship with God yourself. It's why Jesus was so revolutionary, he was liberating believers from the oppression of the Judaic Church!!

    (Which is why I dislike the argument some anti-Christian people make- "Jesus was a Jew, so how can Christians be against Judaism?" Jesus was rebelling against Judaic authorities...)"

    You really can't make the last two statements, (if your first statements about the bible are true) you really have no clue what Jesus is for or against, nor do we know if He was a revolutionary against Judaism, or if He even existed. Take away biblical authority and we lose Jesus all together...this is the bankruptcy of theological liberalism.

    But in response to the charge of scribal error by monks, it simply is not true. Again we have thousands of NT manuscript copies all nearly identical. Copying the bible was taken very seriously not some half baked job. Thus the authenttic writings have been preserved and the original writings are still clear.

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  33. JRAE:

    Well right, but how can you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ if you don't understand what he was truly saying?


    Jesus speaks to you through the Holy Spirit and you can back this up by studying the Word. I totally agree with you that it's important to study the Word even if it means going back to Hebrew or Greek to clarify something.

    I used to be in this New Age group where the leader was receiving 'spiritual insights'. We all felt this resonance with this insights - very weird - but anyway what he was saying wasn't backed up by anything other than him. This really drove home to me the importance of using the Bible as a check and balance against what some preacher or religious 'leader' is saying.

    If you read the book of Acts, it talks about the early church, not as some patriarchal domineering monolith but as a vital group of believers infused with the Holy Spirit. The former came into play later on when political jockeying replaced the Holy Spirit as the main driving force behind the church.

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  34. I think the more important aspect of what jrae is trying to get at is how do you know it is THE truth when there are other faiths that also claim to be THE truth without first reading and understanding them with an open mind.

    To completely put aside the bible and Jesus and to just talk of faith for a second isn't it safe to assume that nurture has as much to do with your faith as the validity of the religion? I mean otherwise the different faiths would not be so localized. And before anyone says "there are Christians everywhere" I know but there are all the others as well, what I am saying is that they all have centers of greater populations.

    To me it would seem that the best option is to look at all the truths and to arrive at the one that makes the most sense to you regardless of how the rest of those around you worship.

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  35. Thanks Bob and MQM for dealing with Jrae -

    You have done a fine job! There are just some issues I don't have the energy to waste my time on – but feel free to debate all day long with her.

    No matter what you or I say, the responses from these types are always dripping with inconsistencies and hypocrisy and frankly it's tiresome.

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  36. Whoa, my children. Did you all not get the actual Good News and the Message from my father? When you all are done bitching at each other, go read the friggin' Bible. And don't just do it to memorize phrases (proof-texting) to throw at one another. You all don't know shit about it. (I'm tellIng Dad!)

    Peace!

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  37. Inconsistencies and hypocrisy huh?

    Did you type that in here while looking in the mirror dani?

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  38. Awe Dani, don't give up now. You dedicated your whole blog to 'the truth', now back it up. ;)

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  39. Sandra, you are so funny...

    Dani, I can certainly understand your analogy of receiving a great gift that you want to share with others. But I subscribe to "winning more bees with honey than with vinegar" approach.

    I know you're not trying to win any popularity contests or anything, but it seems like there must be better ways to attract people to your way of thinking...

    If your true motivation is to share your gift (and I have no reason to doubt your sincerity), how do you think you've been doing lately?

    Personally, I think the path to God deserves a friendly, more welcoming advocate. Condemnation rarely inspires. It usually breeds to opposite. Too many on earth are in dire need of guidance. Reaching them will require compassion.

    You may be a very compassionate person in real life... I don't know you... but nothing I've read in the past couple of days has shown me that side of you.

    Your AIDS comment at Mike's place really blew me away. Homosexuals do not top the list of AIDS victims. Africans do. Many of the victims are children whose only crime was being birthed by a woman with AIDS. Another one bites the dust, huh?

    Peace, Rachael

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  40. Rachael - Regarding the AIDS comment: that song was being played while homosexual's names were listed - not babies or people in Africa.

    I can be very nice and full of sugar and honey, but if you have actually been following this discussion the past five weeks or so, you would notice that people on the opposing side have been extremely vicious, hateful, crude and intolerant of me and my views simply because they happen to align with the Bible. They have made nasty remarks about me and my family and attacked my character, even gone so far as to become an impersonator, leaving vulgar and trashy comments on other blogs under my identity as "dani" - real nice, huh?

    All of this venom spewing is doing nothing for anyone and this kind of crap gets old real fast. I ain't no saint - that's for sure! But one thing that remains constant are my beliefs in moral absolutes and if people want to attack me, I say bring it on cause they don't have a leg to stand on! People will get offended when I condemn sins like homosexuality no matter how "nice" I am, because there is no sugar coating the issue - homosexuality is a perversion, plain and simple! That's the TRUTH, Deb! And yes I am judging her, because I can!

    I don't expect the majority to believe or accept my way of thinking, but I am here for the lone few that will accept it. The majority will persecute me. The majority will reject the Truth. The majority will believe lies. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many will enter through it, but narrow is the path that leads to righteous and very few will find it.

    For those who do want to receive the truth, I will be friendly and compassionate towards them. But sadly, the majority WILL hate me no matter what my approach is because I tell the Truth - and it offends them.

    So you say that you haven't seen a compassionate side of me - well, two days is hardly enough time to judge, plus it's kinda hard to be compassionate when I'm constantly under attack. Stick around long enough, maybe you will see it soon? I can be very sweet and loving to those who want to receive it.

    Have a nice evening!

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  41. Dani, you should do your testimony. I've never heard it (or is it posted somewhere).

    I'm struggling with what to say...I'm seeing a lot of criticism of you, a lot of rhetoric and labeling and name calling....people saying stuff about you like they've got your number. And at the same time, I don't sense that many of these people have an ounce of sincerity in relation to the Christian faith. You're just an easy target, someone to rag on. I see them harping on you on other blogs, like schoolchildren. A critical remark towards you guarantees them instant popularity and affirmation from 'the crowd'. 'Can you believe what she wrote?', they ask.

    I wonder how much of the anger and the invective is the anger of a rebellious child, screaming 'don't you tell me what to do!'. The God of the Bible is an authority figure and we live in a generation that despises the very concept.

    Dani says homosexuality is a sin. So what? Why all the rage and foaming at the mouth? If you don't even believe in the God she worships why do you even care?

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  42. Blah blah blah, TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH. So many words without actually saying anything.

    Why do we care? The same reason people care when others say "your mom's a slut" even though they know she's not. The same reason Dani has this blog even though she "knows" the TRUTH.

    I'm done trying to argue with reason because it's obvious Dani doesn't want to address it. I guess I'll have to stick with petty insults. Fight fire with fire, right?

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  43. Has this really been going on for five weeks??? Maybe the subject should just be dropped. I didn't mean to stir a pot that had already been over-stirred.

    I've tried to make it clear that I'm an empathic person... to a fault sometimes. I'm not a "bleeding heart" in, say, political terms... but I was born with the ability to listen and feel others' pain as if it were my own.

    That said, I'm happy that you shared some insight as to why you've been recently perceived as toxic, crazy... etc, etc. If I were so vehemently and repetively attacked, I'd be likely to bite back, too. Finally, we have something in common!

    I still can't get on board with the Another One Bites The Dust display... no matter which deceased souls were named. I don't think the demise of others is ever cause for celebration. I guess we'll just have to disagree on that one.

    Although I'm not religious, and I'm not even sure what I believe in concretely, my inner voice provides plenty of absolutes. That inner voice assures me that "there but for the grace of god, go i." My conscience doesn't say those words, of course, but my gut tells me when I screw up, and prohibits me from passing judgment (the mean kind) on others.

    I could have been a beaten child who resorts to drugs to kill the pain... after all, we don't pick our parents. I could've been locked up for one of my rebellious teenaged escapades and caught in the throes of the justice system. I could have been born gay. I could have been born into a religion that advocates violence as a path to peace.

    I know I'm fortunate. And I recognize that fortune is a hit and miss game. I caught on fire and had a baby who died... these weren't choices I made. And these obstacles pale in comparison to what others face so I refuse to whine (well, I cry sometimes, but I don't whine!)

    I'm not sure I have a point. But I do want to thank you for shedding your own light on the subject... not scripture, but sharing your human response to being attacked. I feel like I know you a little better.

    And I apologize. I didn't call you names or spew venom, but if I contributed to your feeling of being "attacked" then I'm sorry.

    I think it's clear that there are certain issues we're never going to agree on. I'm cool with that if you are.

    I wish you well... Rachael

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  44. "...the majority WILL hate me no matter what my approach..."

    ...Seriously..Dani..The worst that could happen iz for them to QUIT "hatin" you and raise their game to a higher level and not even GIVE a shit...

    You gotta CARE 'bout somebody in order to HATE 'em..

    Thassa strong word (Hate)...ya gotta be Worthy in order to receive that kinda love...

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  45. Everything related to religion/Bible is a huge joke. I was nice and played along... but enough is enough. Stop being so bloody crazy! Or if you insist, then please stay in the South, play with snakes, talk in tongues, but please don't vote.

    J.

    ps. I'm in a shitty mood and don't need to deal with u crazies tonight.

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  46. Jason,

    I spoke in tongues last Sunday and guess what - I was praying for you!

    You have a massive chip on your shoulder.

    Bunny

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  47. Dani said:

    “…They have made nasty remarks about me and my family and attacked my character, even gone so far as to become an impersonator, leaving vulgar and trashy comments on other blogs under my identity as "dani" - real nice, huh?”

    All of you should be of one mind, full of sympathy toward each other, loving one another with tender hearts and humble minds. Don’t repay evil for evil. Don’t retaliate when people say unkind things about you. Instead, pay them back with a blessing. That is what God wants you to do, and he will bless you for it. ~Peter: 3:8-9

    What about that Dani? What about not repaying evil for evil? Why do you feel the need to take revenge or stoop to the level when someone insults you? You’ve insulted many.

    You have NO right to judge. You are NOT God sweetie. You said it to me once before that you lived once as a ‘heathen’ and you participated in orgies and was once a lesbian. Yes, you’ve repented now that you and your husband have now married. You’re in a ‘safe zone’ now, huh? But yet you still say you curse like a trucker. I don’t judge you for any of that. I’m sure there are much more sins you’re not listing. BUT----that is not for ME to judge.

    And, I find you funny. I know that I’m right with God because I experience Him everyday. Who are you to say that my relationship with God isn’t good or valid? You can’t.

    You’re amusing because to me---you’re a complete joke sweetie. A fraud who cannot back up the ‘goodness’ of God. You put God in a destructive light and may be turning people away from God. Do you know the penalties for that alone? To turn someone away from God? You should pray and meditate on what it means on being a “good Christian”----or just a ‘good person’ in general Dani. Your soul is in grave danger if you keep protesting like a KKK member. Seriously. I picture you in a white hood sometimes---and it scares me.

    The amount of judging you do will me measured in full—remember that. And that’s not by mere humans. . . it’ll be from God Himself.

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  48. I honestly pray for you. I'm not trying to be mean here, I just feel so bad for someone who is so lost and so out of touch of the word of God--even though you bible thump... But there are ways of preaching the good word with a positive edge.

    Try to really dig deep into your heart and realize that the people on your blog who comment, including myself aren't 'bad people'. We're people who struggle everyday just like you, just like anyone you know. We share the sufferings of Christ----Christian OR not. And we have to respect that and leave the judging to God.

    I just feel so bad for you. That's all. No one's out to get you unless you attack them. Try a different approach and watch how people will see your point of view with a much better response.

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  49. I would like to canvass the views of the collected Christian blogger's with regard to the Christian videogame, "Left Behind:Eternal Forces" which envisages a near-future scenario shortly before the second coming of Christ. Children will be able to assume control of a Christian "Tribulation Force" which exists to convert or kill the forces of the "anti-Christ", a slightly-disguised version of the United Nations encompassing Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Unitarians, homosexuals, aetheists, agnostics et al.

    Given Christian communities' overt stance on the pervasive, and exploitative power of videogames rather ironic, is it not, that they are being employed to exploit and warp the adolescent minds of those as young as thirteen years old. I would be very interested to gauge opinions with respect to what I (predictably) regard as an insidious venture.

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  50. Yep, Deb is right (yet again!!). You need a lot of therapy, and some medication.

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  51. "...they are being employed to exploit and warp the adolescent minds of those as young as thirteen years old."

    You were getting along so well. Who has interfered with you to hold you back from following the truth? It certainly isn’t God, for he is the one who called you to freedom. But it takes only one wrong person among you to infect all the others—a little yeast spreads quickly through the whole batch of dough!
    I am trusting the Lord to bring you back to believing as I do about these things. God will judge that person, whoever it is, who has been trouble and confusing you. ~Galatians 5:7-10

    “The Most Important Commandment”

    One of the teachers of religious law was standing there listening to the discussion. He realized that Jesus had answered well, so he asked, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
    Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Here, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your mind, and all your strength. The second is equally important” ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. No other commandment is greater than these.” ~Matthew 22:34-40

    Yes, Adam’s one sin brought condemnation upon everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness makes all people right in God’s sight an gives them life. Because one person disobeyed God, many people became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many people will be made right in God’s sight.
    God’s law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God’s wonderful kindness became more abundant. So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now God’s wonderful kindness rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. ~Romans 5:18-21


    What about all that it says in the bible?

    Don't you think that Dani's warping the minds of her own children with this type of negative influence in the name of God?

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  52. Deb,

    As much as I respect you as a person, you consistently omit scriptures on repentance when you quote the Bible.

    It's easy to be a popular Christian when you dont' talk about sin and repentance. That's the stuff no one wants to hear about:


    1 John 3:6
    No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

    Hebrews 10
    26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.


    Richard,

    Just because some idiot creates a 'Christian' video game like the one you described doesn't mean it reflects the values of Christianity.

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  53. Myquestioning: It's all about not judging.

    Are you without sin? Am I? Is Dani? No. So why not leave the judging up to God? I'm sorry you missed the point in the scriptures. Read them again.

    Thanks.

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  54. Okay, here is the last comment on judging others, and why it is wrong. Where does anyone get the right to judge what is right and what is wrong. Jesus himself on many occasions thumbed his nose at the Pharisees over the very laws in Leviticus that you use as ammunition. Jesus even said "It is what comes out of the mouth that makes person unclean..." Hmmmm. Only God is capable of judgement. Period. I choose to focus on the sin in my own life, not the sin in others. I may try to be a "light" at times, but condemning someone is not be a light. Love others. There is nothing wrong with saying "I believe that homosexuality is a sin", but it is when you condemn someone and tell them they are perverted. I think most people would consider that as hate. Reach out in love. There is only one way to heaven, and that is through Jesus. But when the words you use with people are words of condemnation, they will never find that way; in fact, they will turn away from it. When Jesus talks about be a Light, He is talking about showing His love to the world. Love will bring people out of darkness. My message to all here is this; Love one another. Ignore the hateful comments, and speak with love. That is what Jesus, my Lord, would do. This I know as truth. God bless you all, Ken

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  55. Richard,

    I totally agree with you.

    Deb,

    Only God can judge others but Christians also need to take a stand against sin. Some people within the church will try to rationalize sin and even persuade the ministry not to teach against it. An example is the Nicolaitans in Revelation - Jesus had very strong words for them.

    But in doing so it is important address the 'issue' at hand and not condemn or scorn the individuals involved.

    So maybe everyone is saying the same thing...

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  56. Deb-
    You said: "You have NO right to judge. You are NOT God sweetie."

    That's an interesting judgement. You judgement is that its wrong for me to say that things like homosexuality are wrong....your doing the very thing that you say I am not supposed to do.

    And in addition the self defeating falacy (all too common among non-christians and pseudo-christians) I simply dont accept those standards. I as a rational being who have been given God's moral standards through the bible can make universal moral judgements. God has already given us His mind on certain matters some things are morally permissable others are not.

    What we are now doing is simply standing on what God has already revealed to be His moral standard. You might not like it because it shows that you are a sinner needing to be washed but that really is part of the point. Now the judgement I leave to God is the vengence and execution of justice for wrong. "Vengence is mine says the Lord." However to say that it is wrong to make a moral pronouncement upon the lifestyle of others is simply self refuting and wrong.

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  57. Sorry everyone - but I just don't have the time and energy to address every single insult attack or judgment towards me. Feel free to carry on though, I am checking in periodically and will comment as I feel like it.

    MyQuestioningMind - Were you reading my mind? Only seconds before I read your comments I was thinking I should write my testimony for all to see. While much of my life is scattered abroad throughout my blog, I haven't compiled it all together in one story. I am a little hesitant given the recent out lash towards me and I am running low of fuel. I'm not particularly interested in giving these folks any more ammo for criticism since they are unable to use mature discernment, but I will certainly consider it. Thanks – maybe I’ll see what everyone wants to know about me?

    Everone SEEMS to know how I appear to be, but only few know who I truly am. Thanks for keeping my blog active!

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  58. Bob, can you throw the first stone?

    And yes, Dani--you must be tired of this by now. It's quite understandable.

    Maybe all that negative energy that you are dishing out takes a lot of effort. Just curious.

    Marjority rules sometimes, and it's sad to see someone full of hatred towards those who are sinners just like yourself.

    Interesting, isn't it?

    God bless!

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  59. Deb,

    Bob says: God has already given us His mind on certain matters some things are morally permissable others are not.

    Are you saying this constitutes casting stones? You've asserted many times that it is not morally permissible for a Christian (Dani) to judge others. Yet when Dani asserts that it is not morally permissible for you to have sex with another woman, you judge her as being 'unloving' and guilty of the worst kind of sin (not loving one's neighbor). Either that or her sin was not saying it in a nice way.

    All I'm saying is there's a difference between asserting one's belief about what is morally permissible or not and using that belief as an excuse to drag another human being through the mud.

    And I'm astounded at the violent outburst of energy generated by Dani's detractors - all these people freaking out over what one woman says and going as far as publishing fake posts designed to smear her name - that's what gets me.

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  60. Smearing her name on other blogs is wrong--whoever did that. I stuck up for her when someone pointed that out and 'claimed' it was Dani.

    It's just disturbing when somene picks and chooses their sin myquesitoning, because she has her own sins to deal with. Why bother other people for their flaws if they love God and have a personal relationship with Him? Let God deal with that person--not the mere human trying to dictate what's wrong or what's right. It's not their place to do that.

    She can spew all the judgments she wants. It makes no difference because her preaching comes across as negative and crass---which people are usually turned off by.

    If Dani came to us with a loving message that made sense, then yes, she wouldn't get so many people bashing her for her beliefs----because her words are rude and her ways of judging are wrong.

    God does not want people judging. It's His job. Not hers.

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  61. Thanks for clarifying.

    I might also add that it's the ministry's responsibility to deal with people in their particular church regarding sin issues. My pastor told me that God speaks to him about what various people in the church are struggling with. It's 'out of line' for a fellow church member to 'take matters into their own hands' and confront another church member. A lot of people have been hurt by this. Other times, church members make hurtful comments because a new person may not 'look or act the part'.

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  62. Deb~ I have kept up with this whole affair and it seems to me that you are playing miss loving and "oh, isn't it sooo sad for Deb," when in acuality you have been waiting for the right time to rake Dani over the coals as well...Looks like you yourself are throwing out the judgements and let's not forget, you will be judged the same amount as you judge others.I don't buy your motives. I may not agree with certain ways Dani has handled things but I don't feel sorry for you one bit and I don't believe your motives are pure either. One minute you say you truelly care about Dani, then you say she is a complete joke, "sweetie". You have actively kept this going and continue to get involved and slyly slip in the digs at her. Not very christian like of you! ~By the way, she is right about homosexuality being wrong. How you think you can twist plainly stated scriptures amazes me.

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  63. I wish I wuz smart enuff to put an end to a debate/discussion that will be endless, or go on for ETERNITY with just a few simple words...Since I ain't..I'll throw sumpthin' random out there and see if it sticks and I'll start it and finish it az quick az possible...

    I believe that "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"..(not a Biblical quote)..I also believe that "Love" iz, az well..
    ...Consequently, it's safe to say that "Ugliness" and "Hatred" should be based the same way...
    MY "right...may be YOUR "wrong" until I'm convinced otherwise...
    But you'll NEVER convince me of ANYTHING by ACCUSING me or belittling me by making a statement that invalidates what I have believed in up to the point of YOUR assessment of me azza human being..Bottom Line?...

    Who in the HELL are YOU to tell ME that I'M "fucked up?!?!"

    ...And If any of you have grown to the point to where you merit being pious or righteous about somebody elses's choices...then I submit to you that "You forgot where you came from" (Un-Biblical, az well)...
    Cuz I GUARANTEE that you didn't EVER learn SHIT...'til ya fucked-up once or twice..I mean ifya DIDN'T "Fuck-up" it's cause you ALREADY KNEW how to do "it"...

    I guess what I'm tryin' to say iz...NONE of us know who's "right" or "wrong"...so knock that shit off...cuz that'll getya nowhere...What MIGHT getya somewhere are statements like..
    "I agree, but..."
    "I'm not sure, but..."
    "I understand what yer sayin', but..."
    "My father might disagree, but..."
    " The Bible iz fulla alotta good philosphy and I agree witha lot of it, but.."..etc. etc. etc.

    Trust me...It'll getya a LOT further on "UNDERSTANDING" than tellin' somebody that they were:

    BORN fucked up...

    LIVED their life fucked up..

    And will probably DIE fucked-up...

    How inda HELL duz ANYBODY get outta dis world without owning THEIR portion of bein' "FUCKED-UP?"

    Communicate...and admit that you don't know it ALL...cuz ya don't.

    Having said that...I truly want to apologize to Dani for my statement about her "child being in the photo...etc" on my blog...
    That wuz uncalled for and I apologize, Dani..I allowed myself to fall into a denominator with people that I essentially agree with philosopically and wrongly elected to lash out at you about something in a manner that I shouldn't have and I'm sorry for that..Kudos toya for puttin' the time in to at least pursue whatever truth your trying to find..and to ~Deb az well..

    Know THIS: Both ofya gettin' together and creating this dialogue has done more GOOD than bad for a whole lotta people, myself included...and a wole lotta people agree with me or they wouldn't have taken part...Bless all of 'em...

    I gotta getta beer.....ouuuuuutttttt!!!!

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  64. Yes but Dani who are you to judge? Also don't act like a bigot or be so homophobic. You know what they say, hate the sin, not the sinner (it's everywhere in the Bible). Also, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Cast ye the first stone who has not sinned. You are sounding really intolerant and hateful.

    "He who hath spoken words of hate against a man who lieth next to another man shall be cast from my kindom" Revelations 2:14

    It's in your bible.

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  65. Oh and Bunny, you're epidermis is showing.

    Also, religion is dumb (and wrong).

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  66. Jason - Well it's a darn good thing that I don't live in a glass house, huh? Mine's made of bricks - lots of them!

    Oh, please enlighten me on this - If "hate the sin, not the sinner" is everywhere in the Bible - can you please direct me to one verse?

    Also, is being a bigot or homophobic considered a sin now? Is calling me names judging me?

    Silly Guy!

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  67. Huh? Anyway, I'm so proud of you Jason. I knew you had a Bible tucked away somewhere haha. But anyway I can't find that verse. I looked it up online and it says:

    14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, *which thing I hate. 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

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    Religion is dumb, isn't it.

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    Dani - don't you know that being 'bigoted' is THE WORST SIN A PERSON CAN COMMIT. Shame on you! I'm just laughing because everyone here is prejudiced against something including me so its kind of ridiculous for us to even go there.

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  68. You both didn't get it. I was trying to call you (Dani) all the things that you always get called. I just wanted a turn at it.

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  69. I understand that Jason but I've talked to gays on forums before and politely tried to bring up stuff and immediately they start talking Nazi's the klan, Fred Phelps, hate, bigotry. It really sucks. I feel like they're trying to bully me by using inflammatory labels. I don't hate gays. I can't think of one gay person I even disliked except my one housemate that wouldn't pay rent or clean his cat's puke off the carpet. But if I have a sincere religious belief that does not 'condone' gay sexual behavior I get slapped with all the nasty labels.

    And for the record I do believe the Bible teaches to focus on behavior when dealing with sin issues but we are supposed to love all people. So I don't have a right to go up to my co-workers who are gay or shacking up and start berating them for their choices. If they ask me if I think it's 'right', I will give them an honest answer but otherwise it's nonna my bizness.

    Just sayin'

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  70. So what happened with you and your last partner? When did you get all "Bible"y?

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  71. Partners are for gay people which I'm not. Anyway I had a boyfriend I lived with for 8 years. Yuk. Talk about dysfunctional. After I broke up w/him I moved into this giant environmental coop on campus. There were probably 35 housemates that passed thru there the three years I was there. The gay guy w/the cat puke was one of them.

    Actually while I was there I got into this bizarre 'Christian' new age group. The leader thought me & Dan, one of my gay housemates were in 'Atlantis' in a past life. I kid you not but Dan and I did have this weird psychic connection so I thought maybe there was something to it. Talk about being too open minded.

    So anyway I realize that the leader of this new age group is starting to get more and more bizarre and maybe that's why the Bible is there - to provide a check and balance against self styled prophets that spout all this crazy stuff about past lives and Atlantis. I told the group I didn't believe in past lives anymore and they pretty much uninvited me. I had started going to the church I'm in now and I pretty much washed my hands of the crazy new age stuff. But before I joined that group I pretty much was anti-Christian so it did serve a purpose.

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  72. Oh you could have had so much fun with that "past life" stuff. I'd actually like to get hypnotized and see what I come up with for a past life.

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  73. Yeah but what if you found out that in a past life you were married to Dani?

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  74. Okay Jason and MQM - I don't exactly know where this is headed, but I'll jump in for Jason and say that being married to me would be utter HELL for him.

    Seriously, who wants some ultra conservative, right-wing, religious fanatic, up-tight, homeschooling homemaker like me for their wife and mother of their children? (Besides my husband, of course - but he's crazier than I am so we're a match made in heaven.) For Jason - it would be his worst nightmare.

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  75. Yeah but maybe you guys had issues in a past life and now you're both on this blog to work out your karma.

    Just sayin'

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  76. No, it's not a nightmare. If in my past life I was born straight, I might even buy into this whole Bible thing. In fact, it sounds kind of neat. I love a good story, and I especially love one where I am on the "good" side. So Dani and I might have been married! And we would have been moral. But then this life is a different story... now Dani is trying to be all self-righteous and nasty cause I was born gay. Not nice my previous wife! Be a nice lady and stop it.

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  77. I believe that Jesus is the son of God AND a schizophrenic. Schizophrenics are people too, so why not Jesus? He fits most of the symptoms in DSM, (the psychiatrists manual for diagnosing people.)
    And if you want the TRUTH, the offensive TRUTH, Jesus was also clearly a homosexual. Where in the bible did he throw stones at queers? And don't quote Paul, how can you trust some one whose job was crucifying christians to say what is right and wrong in sexual practice

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  78. If Jesus is true, then he, as the Son of God, is the most sane person that set foot on this planet. Thus if people are having difficulty discerning whether or not he was a lunatic, or the most sane, then that means that people are so messed up that they can't tell the difference between two massively opposite extremes. Thus they have perfected sheer stupidity due to being squashed under Satan's thumb.
    http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2.htm

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  79. i heard you're goin round
    playin the victim now
    but dont even begin
    feelin i'm the one to blame
    cos you dug your own grave

    peace out!

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  80. Yeah yeah yeah.An Atheists mind is all about sounding cool and condescending.It aint a big thing buddy, we are as smart as you are.Ideology should be in a state of flux I would say,In constant search of truth.How are you any better than a Muslim who would blow himself up for his cause.The Christian is not dumb, he is just searching,never giving up and may die during his/her travel into the truth.Whether the believer succeeded or not is never the matter of convention. At least they are not giving up saying, its all bullshit.

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