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TRUTH: "Have No Fellowship With the Unfruitful Works of Darkness, But Rather EXPOSE Them!" ~ GOD, Ephesians 5:11

January 16, 2006

Statistics on Homosexuality

Here Are Some Statistics About the Homosexual Lifestyle:

* One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners.
* One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year. The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
* Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting.
* Many homosexuals don't pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: "Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior".
* Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years.
* Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States. They make up only 1-2% of the population.
* Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the "gay bowel syndrome" (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus.
* 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization.
* Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film "The Castro", one minute stands). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to "cruisy areas" and have anonymous sex.
* 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs.
* Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, "Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities".
* Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, "30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals".
* 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals.
* Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, "Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person". For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.
* It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us.
* Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.
* Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne.
* 37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism.
* 41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs.
* The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75.
* The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79.
* Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident.
* 21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things.
* 50% of the calls to a hotline to report "queer bashing" involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals)

Homosexuals Prey on Children:

* 33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex.
* There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is "SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
* Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor.
* 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age.
* Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality".
* Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren't as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.)

* For a full list of statistics & references go to => Free Republic

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* Related Articles:
- CDC Fact Sheet: HIV/AIDS among Men Who Have Sex with Men
- MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO

75 comments:

  1. Dani, I'm disappointed in you for posting this. In response, I'm going to have to quote from myself on this one:

    "Also, the "statistics" you linked to are from a decidedly biased source. It is in the Catholic church's interest, given its anti-homosexual position, to conclude that a homosexual lifestyle has negative effects. Upon further analysis, points like
    * Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting
    and
    * 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics
    are just plain misleading. Certainly, many homosexual sexual encounters may indeed occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting. No doubt just as many heterosexual encounters occur the same way! As for 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians (Why do lesbians require specific mention? Are they not homosexuals too?) being alcoholics, I'm not surprised either. No doubt an equal number of straight individuals suffer from problems with addiction to alcohol and many other nasty substances. So all your survey has proved with these is that homosexuals are just like heterosexuals. In any case, the rest are effectively, if a little sloppily, addressed here:
    Heterosexuality = Stupid
    Your survey is bunk. In the future you should use more objective and reliable sources if you hope to convince anyone."

    So Dani, in the future, you should consider using actual data, not biased, out of date propaganda like this tripe. Please think about what you're posting?

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  2. Seanny,

    Facts are facts. Go to the link and check out the REFERENCES for yourself. Can all these sources really be bunk?

    (1) Advocate, 1985
    (2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry
    (3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978
    (4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299
    (5) "Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea." Lancet, April 25, 1987
    (6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men." New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38
    (7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE
    (8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA
    (9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275
    (10) Kaifetz, J. "Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some," Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992
    (11) Kus, R. "Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America." Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254
    (12) Lesbian News, January 1994
    (13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11
    (14) Manlight, G. et. al. "Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens." J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438
    (15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy (16) MsKusick, L. et. al. "AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco." Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96
    (17) Newsweek, February 1993
    (18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993
    (19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37
    (20) Rueda, E. "The Homosexual Network." Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53
    (21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, "Can We Talk." (22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992
    (23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322
    (24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990
    (25) "The Overhauling of Straight America." Guide Magazine. November, 1987
    (26) United States Census Bureau (27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989
    (28) University of Chicago's Nation Research Corp
    (29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.

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  3. Dani, facts are indeed facts, but there's definitely a lot to be said for presentation. Many of your "facts" are taken out of context, some are seriously out of date, and others are used in a fashion that is completely misleading. You're using information you don't understand from sources you didn't research. And did I mention that this survey was compiled by a biased organization? I did. That affects everything, I'm afraid. You've already ignored my prior remarks regarding the legitimacy of this survey, and only provided a weak retort this time. "But they're facts!" doesn't mean much if you've applied them in error. Do a little work and a little research and come up with something that isn't so easily recognizable as the propaganda that it is.

    So yes, these are "facts," just as it is a fact that Hitler took naps just the same as you do. Anyone like to draw some conclusions from that?

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  4. Wow, Seanny it didn't take you long to verify Goodwin's Law

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  5. I wasn't aware that there was a law created to express such things, but I find it pretty funny that it's been categorized this way.

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  6. P.S. I think it Godwin was his name.

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  7. P.S.S. I think if I'm going to go around correcting people's spelling and grammar, that I should get my own under control first.

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  8. Dani,
    Good work. Keep posting stuff like this. I find it interesting that your critics can point out your data as be "flawed" and biased but anything that supports their own as "fair and balanced". There's no better way to win an argument than by making the other guy (or girl in your case) out to be a straw man.

    To Dani's critics: way to be "open-minded" and accept other points of view. Oh, wait, that's only if it does not challenge yours.

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  9. Thanks D.M. for the encouragement!

    Some people are so "open-minded" that their brains are falling out of their head and they are no longer able to think for themselves!

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  10. Hey D.M.,

    I find it interesting that you've so neatly lumped all of her critics into one group. How's that for a fair and balanced approach? I don't endorse any argument I've seen in these debates/exchanges/flame wars in their entirety, and I'm sure there are many others that don't either. You may have noticed that I make very sparing reference to any others who might agree with me already. The websites that I have cited, as well, have been used to prove points more often than to endorse my personal beliefs or the accuracy of my statements (with the exception of a link to government statistics on violent crime). I try to cover those bases myself. The charge of critiquing one side of an argument while blindly agreeing with the entirety of the other side can accurately be leveled at individuals from both camps here. If you deny that, then you either haven't read the responses, or you are likely one of those individuals. Perhaps if you'll read the reasons I've presented for what you've described as not being "open-minded and accept[ing of] other points of view" in my comments, you'll understand why.

    By the way, none of this changes the argument. The data is still flawed.

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  11. Don't listen to Seanny!

    He doesn't even know for certain if he exists.

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  12. Don't listen to Seanny!

    He doesn't even know for certain if he exists.

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  13. That's a delightful appeal to ridicule you're making, Dani. I feel thoroughly discredited now. Just so everyone knows what we're talking about: Seanny doesn't even know for certain if he exists!" It's about 22 comments down.

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  14. Well I know I exist, the rest of you I'm not too sure about.

    In all fairness to your "statistics" Danny (and they do go in quotes when you don't give the equivlent heterosexual ones for comparison), most of the studies were done in the late 70s and early 80s. As most psychologist and sociologists know, there was a large shift in the gay and lesbian populations in the mid 1980s and early 1990s. Prior to this time these communities had been seriously repressed, so it should come as no surprised that when they suddenly were accepted into their own homosexual communities, there were sexually promiscious (btw, sexual promiscuity is limited to the male homosexual community, the female homosexual community shows no more promiscuity than the heterosexual one, and in some cases less, this suggests that women are the limiting factor in promiscuity).

    However, in the late 1980s and early 1990s the homosexual communities started to be recognized on a national scale, and with the drop in intollerence to their life style, so did their promiscuity. For example, studies in the early 1980s showed the average number of gay parters for a homosexual man at around 500 for the life time. Your own statistics taken half a decade later show only 100, and in fact, up-to-date ones show in the 20s and 30s.

    For example, you said 33% of homosexuals admit to minor/adult sex. You missed the fact that most of them were actually the minor, not the adult. It should also be noted that: Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37 has been widely discredited as a study. There are other examples, but I won't bother going into nit picking details over them. So yes to a certain degree your sources are distorted, but not entirely.

    One of the main points I'm assuming you were alluding to was that the gay and lesbian communities show alot less sexual restraint. Now, as you believe this to be a bad thing that is an appropraite stand point. However, if you read Mead's "Growing up in Somoa," you quickly realize that sexual restraint causes a number of social problems. In fact, the Somoans turned out to be very restrained individuals (much to Mead's displeasure) and as a result had high incidence of rape, child molestation and sexually motivated murder.

    But then again no one is perfect.


    Btw, shame on you Seanny McShawn, for invoking Godwin's law, it is an example of your lacking any tangible argument and had noone mentioned it, it would have ended the discussion.

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  15. Jim,

    I appreciated your more detailed look at the studies. It's a good approach that makes things a little more balanced than my dialogue has been getting.

    In regards to Godwin's Law, I made the reference to Hitler as a means of stressing the ridiculous nature of my own statement, and as a result, the facts Dani was using. It is undoubtedly a fact that both Dani and Hitler took naps, just as many/most of Dani's study results are undoubetdly factual. The error I was stressing was in the use/interpretation of this information. In the case of Dani and Hitler's sleeping habits, while it is true, it misrepresents the reality of the situation by not providing enough information. As you pointed out, much of the data Dani used inaccurately represents what is happening today, and has rational explanations for those results when they were first recorded. Had I been using a comparison to Hitler as an ad hominem attack against Dani, or as an appeal to emotion, you would have been quite right to criticize me for its use. If anything, its use here borders on an appeal to ridicule, but just barely misses it due to the fact that the comparison does hold together. My reference to Hitler does not diminish the grim significance of the Holocaust and Nazi Germany, it merely draws attention to the logical problems inherent in some of Dani's statistics.

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  16. I would challenge your assertion, that this kind of example is exactly the kind of example that Godwin's law is designed to prevent, as it portrays an direct appeal to emotion rather than logic, as well as attacking character over argument, both of which lack the kind of intelligent thinking you accused Dani's statistics of lacking.

    "Hitler has far too many negative connotations associated with him to be used as a valid comparison to anything but other tyrannical dictators. Thus, Godwin's Law holds even in making comparisons to normal leaders that, on the surface, would seem to be reasonable comparisons." And by extention your example with Dani.

    While your case is technically true (both Dani and Hitler do/did sleep, and giving a fact about someone doesn't necessarily associate other aspects of their personalities) the obvious connotations render it useless as a point, making it soly into an attack.

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  17. Hey Jim,

    Since we are talking about Hitler, I was wondering if you can answer a simple question for me, since Seanny was unable to in a previous debate (the same debate where he says that he does not know for certain if he exists).

    Question:

    Was it evil for Hitler to murder millions of Jews?

    Yes or No?

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  18. Jim,

    Duly challenged.

    I feel, however, that it's only an attack if it's designed to reflect negatively on anyone. The entire point of using Hitler in that argument was to point out that even though napping doesn't show that someone has a defective character, it can be made to seem so when worded a certain way. Thus, not an attack.

    I deeply respect your motivation for invoking Godwin's Law, but disagree that it applies to my remark. Regardless, if my use of Hitler in this manner has offended anyone, I sincerely apologize.

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  19. Seanny McShawn, it need not be conciously designed to reflect negetively on anyone, but you are equating Dani's statistics with hitler, and the negetive connotations are too strong for us not to go further and associate them with Dani. Thus, it is an attack.

    Dani,
    Hitler systematically hunted down and killed in the neighborhood of 6 million jews. This is genocide, there is no debating that. However, do you want to debate the moral implications of his actions? or the correctness of them?
    In the society he lived in (and he was pratially responcible for this phenomina) the jewish people were regarded with hatred. They were seen as conspiring to take over the world, and to that end Hitler was the hero of the Third Riche.
    However, as I mentioned, this is a condition which Hitler created. The fact that he chose the jews merely reflects on the subtal anti-jewish tendency that the strong Christian populace at the time possesed (an off shoot of certain chapters in the bible). So in effect, what he actions were, were selfish. He hated the jews, so he made everyone else hate them as much as he. These actions set back (german)sociaty as a whole.
    So selfishly hurting others for your own personal gains tends to fit the bill for morally in correct action (except in the case of Nietzsche, who would instead argue that his hurting society is the basis for his actions being morally incorrect).
    As evil is gennerally defined to be meaning: morally bad or wrong, or blameworthy by report, we can say by extention that Hitler's actions were evil, and that he had an evil character.

    However, it is vitally important to note, that our society considers him evil, which has a priming effect on our presception of him. As Darling and Gross ('83) show. In addition if we look at Neuberg ('89) we often see this has a self-fulfilling prophecy aspect to it.

    So I suppose the answer to your question is: Yes, but with the qualifier that this attitude may be affected by the societal interpretation. Which of course leads us to the deeper discussion of whether morals are determained by society

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  20. Alas, I still disagree, but not for any reasons that I haven't already stated. It seems that I believe that the reference makes no connection between Hitler and Dani (quite the opposite, I hope), and that you believe that it does. I haven't been shaken in my reasoning, even though I do understand your point of view. Do we agree to disagree, or is there more wiggle-room for argument?

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  21. Interesting essay from an ex-gay man:

    http://www.massresistance.com/docs/articles/new_oxford.html

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  22. The only statistics that count are in the Bible verses that condemn homosexuality in both the Old and the new Testament. All else is open to question. What God considers an abomination (Ezekiel 16:49-50) is.

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  23. Hi,

    I stopped by your blog and thought it was most interesting. Very well written I must say. Now, I do want to let you know that I am homosexual. I think these ‘statistics’ are a bit off. Do you know there are many heterosexuals that have had numerous partners…ie: prostitutes, people from broken homes, and other factors… I would never pass judgment upon them---because God tells us not to judge. Let Him be the only judge.

    I understand your need to tell the truth. There are ways of doing it in a positive way though. I’ve been with my partner for over 12 years now who I love and respect with all my heart. From your ‘list of what homosexuals do’----we do not participate in orgies, we do not cheat on one another, we are not pedophiles, and we are clean from STD’s because of our monogamy. We both love the Lord with all our hearts.

    We know that as humans, we are all imperfect. Jesus was the only perfect man that ever walked this earth. God brought Jesus down for us so we can be washed of our sins. Everyone sins. And yes…even you! (smile) But I think that your heart is in the right place---it’s just the way you’re presenting it all, is the reason why some people are offended by this particular post.

    Think about it. We all sin. We all have had impure thoughts, we have all said a white lie here and there, we have all idolized at one time or another; which is in the category of sinning.

    Take a look at this…

    Leviticus 11:9-12 As for marine animals, you may eat whatever has both fins and scales, whether taken from fresh water or salt water. You may not, however, eat marine animals that do not have both fins and scales. (shellfish) You are to detest them, and they will always be forbidden to you. You must never eat their meat or even touch their dead bodies. I repeat, any marine animal that does not have both fins and scales is strictly forbidden to you.

    So basically what this scripture is saying to us is that we can never eat shrimp or lobster. We cannot enjoy clams, mussels or scallops. Interesting, isn’t it? This is considered to be just as “bad” as being a homosexual. My grandfather and father owned a fish market in NYC for years. I was so used to eating this way because my father would bring home seafood twice a week. We grew up on shellfish, and many people in this world eat shellfish regularly. I know many people enjoy eating ostrich, but in

    Leviticus 13:16- it clearly states that eating ostrich is considered detestable to all of us.
    Leviticus 15:19-29 Whenever a woman has her menstrual period, she will be ceremonially unclean for seven days. If you touch her during that time, you will be defiled until evening. Anything on which she lies or sits during that time will be defiled If you touch her bed, you must wash your clothes and bathe in water, and you will remain defiled until evening. The same applies if you touch an object on which she sits, whether it is her bedding or any piece of furniture. If a man has
    sexual intercourse with her during this time, her menstrual impurity will be transmitted to him. He will remain defiled for seven days, and any bed on which he lies will be defiled.
    If the menstrual flow of blood continues for many days beyond the normal period, or if she discharges blood unrelated to her menstruation, the woman will be ceremonially unclean as long as the discharge continues. Anything on which she lies or sits during that time will be defiled, just as it would be during her normal menstrual period. If you touch her bed or anything on which she sits, you will be defiled. You will be required to wash your clothes and bathe in water, and you will remain defiled until evening.
    When the woman’s menstrual discharge stops, she must count off a period of seven days. After that she will be ceremonially clean. On the eighth day, she must bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the Tabernacle.


    If I lived by the Old Testament alone, I would not leave my house nor have guests come over anytime during my menstrual period. A lot of people including myself get confused when the bible seems to contradict itself. If you have discernment, you should realize that the Old Testament is strictly for the time before Jesus. The Old Testament is a good tool for learning the past history of what went on in the beginning of time. The rules applied then were stricter and some things people did as a result of not obeying such rules were fatal. They would put you to death over a sin. Later on when God gave us His only son, we were all saved from the sins of this earth. There are scriptures in the Old Testament stating that if men shave their beards, it is a sin. Most of our priests and pastors are very clean-shaven. We have to take into consideration that God knows we are human. Stop with the guilt, and live a happy life that will please God.
    Think about this… In the Old Testament, slavery was approved. The only difference was that they referred to them as “servants”. Regardless of how it was described throughout the Old Testament, this was undoubtedly slavery, which is an insult to mankind. They degraded people by keeping them as slaves. This is called loving others as you would love yourself? Not in my book. There are many writings in the Old Testament that don’t correlate with how we live today. There are many, many debates on this issue, and I am only trying to express my view. Love should not be a sin; sexual immorality, yes. I can agree with that. Sexual immorality promotes sexual transmitted diseases, loss of self-respect and prostitution.

    Ephesians 2:19-22 So now you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of God’s holy people. You are members of God’s family. We are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself. We who believe are carefully joined together, becoming a holy temple for the Lord. Through him you Gentiles are also joined together as part of this dwelling where God lives by his Spirit.

    We need to know and believe that God accepts us. There are many things within the Old Testament, as well as the New Testament, which make reference to having sexual relations with someone within your family. Yes, incest. Here is a scripture that makes strong reference to this topic:

    Leviticus 18:6-21 You can never have intercourse with a close relative, for I am the Lord. Do not violate your father by having sexual intercourse with your mother. She is your mother; you must never have intercourse with her. Do not have sexual intercourse with any of your father’s wives, for this would violate your father. Do not have sexual intercourse with your sister or half sister, whether she is your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was brought up in the same family or somewhere else.
    Do not have sexual intercourse with your granddaughter, whether your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would violate you. Do not have sexual intercourse with the daughter of any of your father’s wives; she is your half sister. Do not have intercourse with your aunt, your father’s sister, because she is your father’s close relative. Do not have sexual intercourse with your aunt, your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative. And do not violate your uncle, your father’s brother, by having sexual intercourse with his wife; she also is your aunt. Do not have sexual intercourse with your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife. Do not have intercourse with your brother’s wife; this would violate your brother. Do not have sexual intercourse with both a woman and her daughter or marry both a woman and her granddaughter, whether or son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter. They are close relatives, and to do this would be a horrible wickedness. Do not marry a woman and her sister because they will be rivals. But if your wife dies, then it is all right to marry her sister.
    Do not violate a woman by having sexual intercourse with her during her period of menstrual impurity. Do not defile yourself by having sexual intercourse with your neighbor’s wife. Do not give any of your children as a sacrifice to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.


    Some Hasidim engage in inter-marriages. This is not uncommon. Hasidim interbreeding and intermarrying were to elaborate on the ‘clan’ or the ‘tribe’ of this community. The purpose of intermarrying was to preserve one’s inheritance of the family and for unity. There are communities today that still practice this. There’s more at risk here than just having your wealth shared with someone outside the family. Birth defects of babies are very common among intermarried couples. They share the same genetic material, which causes health problems and birth defects for the baby.

    In my hometown, the Hasidim are the most religious people who practice their faith daily. They never work on Saturdays, they keep the Sabbath and watching televisions is unheard of and forbidden. Their clothing alone reveals to me how great their faith is in God. To wear a long black jacket in the midst of summer tells me that it’s more than just a fashion statement. This is called faith. Even though I do not agree with intermarrying due to birth defects and other health problems caused by this, I can understand their way of living. I can see that keeping their inheritance and unity within their family is sacred. So with that, I have respect for them and I do not judge them in any way. This is their way of living. So what’s my point you ask? My point is that the Old Testament is just that. All this being considered, even the Hebrews do not practice the Old Testament—even though that is their bible. Most of the entire book of Leviticus is based on the sin of intermarriages and incest.

    Leviticus 18:22 Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.

    Okay, so now that we know that whoever eats shrimp, lobster, crabmeat, whoever loves someone of the same sex, whoever enjoys an elegant ostrich dinner, or sits on the couch of a woman that is menstruating, are all going straight to hell? Hmm… This is a lot to absorb, right? I can’t imagine our God saying that all mankind is going to hell. There are millions of people who eat shellfish! What about going to a female friend’s house? How can you know for sure if she is menstruating? Is she going to say to you-- “Oh no! Don’t sit on my couch! You’ll be defiled!”

    I’m only trying to make a point here, which is that some people do not understand the gay lifestyle, nor would they ever practice it, because it is not their way of living. The same goes with the Hasidim lifestyle, I don’t understand their way of living entirely, nor would I practice it, however I do not judge them. It is just not my way of living. Whatever lifestyle someone leads, let God be the only judge.

    So my point is, do you think God is going to throw us ALL in hell? Life on earth is an experience. We’re supposed to love one another; to respect one another and treat people with kindness---not judge them until they feel awful about themselves.

    Anyway, I hope I didn’t offend you with my post, and I hope that this may put another light on how you view others. If you have so much judgmental thoughts within your mind—it’s going to be hard to treat others with respect and you’re going to stress about these things more than the person who you’re throwing stones at.

    God bless, and keep an opened heart out for your brothers and sisters. We’re all in it together!

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  24. It's too late for reference hunting...but I just wanted to point out that there were different classifications of laws in the Old Testament.

    OK, I found a reference...but you have to dig a bit to find it.

    There were ceremonial or ritual laws, then there were moral laws. The ones about shellfish were ceremonial...the ones about homosexuality were moral...and Jesus put to death all the ceremonial laws when He died on the cross, and the temple curtain was torn in two, meaning that we can now enter the Holy of Holies without having to have a priest who is ceremonially washed clean to go in for us.

    I hope that clears things up a bit.

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  25. The statistics for homosexuals are no different than for women. The American Journal of Medicine finds that around 80% of women have an STD by the time they are 40. The disease is HPV.

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  26. Additionally, the group at greatest risk for commiting a violent sexual act is heterosexual males between the ages of approximately 15 to 35.

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  27. Hi Deb,
    You left a fairly lengthy comment on my blog back in March and for some reason blogger never notified me through email (I don't receive half the comments) and I just stumbled across it the other day. Hopefully, you're checking back. Generally when someone takes so much time to leave a comment I like to respond, so my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Thanks for taking the time to comment. In the future, feel free to send me an email directly if I don’t respond in a timely manner.

    You said that you think "these ‘statistics’ are a bit off, because there are many heterosexuals that have had numerous partners…ie: prostitutes, people from broken homes, and other factors."
    While I don’t know the details of all the statistics, generally speaking I believe the stats are fairly accurate. I will agree with you that many heterosexuals have had numerous partners because I was one of them, and I even contracted STD’s from male partners. I also crossed over into the homosexual lifestyle for a time and participated in orgies and other perversions. But, thankfully through Christ I have been freed from that sinful lifestyle and I am happily married with three children.

    Repeatedly, you said that you cannot judge, but Jesus says to “Judge with righteous judgment.” Time and time again Christians are commanded to judge, in fact, there is an entire book called Judges if you recall. Don’t get caught up in the cliche of “Do not judge” as it is not biblical. If you want to read further here is a great commentary => JUDGE RIGHTLY

    I noticed your attempt to justify your relationship with your “partner” because you didn’t fit into the category ‘of what homosexuals do’ and since you love each other and are committed to each other you think God will accept you. Yes, we all sin, like you stated. We all have had impure thoughts, we have all said a white lie here and there, we have all idolized at one time or another; which is in the category of sinning. But, the Bible is clear about sexual immorality and it has no place in God’s kingdom.

    You then made several references to symbolic laws in the OT about eating shellfish and women on her menstrual period and equated it as being just as “bad” as being a homosexual. Clearly there is nothing morally wrong about eating shellfish and God instituted those laws for symbolic reasons during that time. The OT also says, “Do not murder” and “Do not commit adultery” shall we ignore those laws because it was written before Jesus’ time?

    You said, “If you have discernment, you should realize that the Old Testament is strictly for the time before Jesus. The Old Testament is a good tool for learning the past history of what went on in the beginning of time.”

    The Apostle Paul says in 2 Timothy 3:16 -- “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.”

    You focussed heavily on OT verses in an attempt to justify living in sin with your partner, assuming the OT laws about homosexuality are no longer applicable. But, what do you have to say about the verses in the NT that clearly condemn homosexuality?

    This is what Paul says in Romans 1:18-27 -- “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness…Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools…Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever… For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.”

    I Corinthians 6:8-10 – “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Further, it is not just homosexuality, it is ALL sexual immorality (fornication, adultery, incest, ect.) Paul warns us again in I Corinthians 6:18-20 – “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.”

    So not only are you sinning against God by fornicating and practicing homosexuality, you are sinning against your own body. In closing you asked, “do you think God is going to throw us ALL in hell?”

    Well, this is what Jesus says in Revelation 21:8 – “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, SEXUALLY IMMORAL, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    Revelation 22:14-15 – “Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and SEXUALLY IMMORAL and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”

    If you truly love God with all your heart like you claim, you should REPENT of your perverted lifestyle and humbly go before God and seek forgiveness. I only say this to you in a spirit of love and respect, in hopes that you will see the Truth and no longer blaspheme the name of our LORD.

    In Christ ~ Dani

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  28. If you want to read Deb's response and follow up heated discussion, go here => Homosexuality is a Perversion!

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  29. I avoid any statistics that feel the need to have the word "true" in front of the title.

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  30. as much reading as you have done on the subject, it would seem to me that you have a fascination with being a lesbian.

    would jesus appreciate the hate you spread?

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  31. How dare you "Christians" be such haters....Forgivness my ass....all you all want is every one to conform to your Hypocritcal, biast, conforming, pansy, omg I cant be myself ways and then ud all be happy....how can u say u live for a god who accepts everyone who loves and lives and beleives in him when u cant do the same for a group of people who choose a different life style...Marriage is about love and commiment..not gender..think about it....Parts of Judism are now performing gay marriages...they still ban gay sex(which makes no sense) but if a people who dont eat pork because it is unclean can allow two men or women to marry then why can't everyone else?

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  32. Hello Dani,

    Thanks for this post. Whether we like it or not the reality is that we are to tell the truth out there and I think that that is exactly what you are doing. You don't have to please people as long as you are doing what the Lord has placed on your heart. May the Lord bless you and carry on with the good work.

    Philip.

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  33. that was offensive, ignorant, and arrogant. You make homosexuals seem like evil people. You know absolutely nothing about homosexuality, I don't care what statistics you have.


    and can you use numbers instead of many?

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  34. o, and can you find anything that's more recent, like 2000.. nothing from the 70's please

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  35. Sully - First of all, I don't make homosexuals seem like evil people - they already ARE evil, vile and disgusting perverts regardless of what statistics I post.

    Second, here are some more studies for you to try and "debunk" -

    => CDC Fact Sheet: HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men - Revised June 2007

    Get Your Barf Bag Ready:

    => MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO - 1999

    => Fact Sheet: Aids and Homosexuality - 2000

    => Child Molestation and Homosexuality - 1993

    My Personal Favorite:

    => HOMOSEXUALS are HELLBOUND - Eternally TRUE!

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  36. Hi Dani,
    I am an ex homosexual, happily married and an extreme enemy of the Homosexual lifestyle. I agree with all of your opinions except for this. Homosexuality is a sin, an abomination and evil. NOT the homosexual. One of the reasons that i love God with all of my heart and am willing to leave my same sex attractions behind is because He gave me that choice. Romans 8:28 says that (and i paraphrase) " I am persuaded that nothing in this world can stop God from loving me." This includes homosexuality. He calls me to leave it behind but loves me regardless. Homosexuals in the world will only change when we start preaching this. Whether we like it or not, they have a GOD GIVEN right (freewill) to do as they please. But when we start loving them regardless, denouncing their lifestyle but not their humanity, i am persuaded that their heart will change. Mine did. Please think about this in your approach.
    either way, i love you, respect your work and ask you to keep it up. Whether or not they like it, they need to hear this. and remember, your work is not in vain, everyone isn't going to accept it. They hated Jesus, you think they won't hate us?
    Keep up the good work and be blessed.
    Garrett

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  37. Hi Garrett - I was very encouraged by your comment, so I decided to post it HERE, along with my response to you for others to read.

    God Bless!

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  38. Hi Dani

    I read your blog and ludicrous statistics, which is exactly what it is-laughable. Your attempt at propoganda is transparent and, as the others pointed out, very outdated. I used to consider myself a practicing Christian until I saw church signs discriminating against homosexuals and even others. I personally consider myself much better off being free, happy, and very open-minded to those around me. I refuse to judge, because judgment breeds hatred and we all are truly equal.

    Being openly bisexual, I was offended by your statistics, but I'm sure many others would be moreso. This is also why I refuse to stoop to your level to insult you, but I will say you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that judging those of a different lifestyle isn't very Christian, especially considering we live in a country whose constitution claims that all people are equal.

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  39. How can you argue that it is a sin to be homosexual? I've been reading up on the subject and there are many claims that homosexuality is determined before a child is born. One example is in families with lots of male children. The body reacts after a while of production of male children by treating the newer fetuses as foreign and spreading hormones to the unborn child, possibly causing them to be homosexual. None of this is completely proven yet, just a possibility.

    It is ridiculous to claim to be a "good, religious" person when you can allow yourself to not see the world how it truly is, open to personal interpretation. Dani, you are wrong and a sinner! It's better to lead a good, full, lifestyle than to put your head in the clouds (or the bible) and honestly believe that it was written from the hands of G-d and not created by man. A homosexual who does good things for the world is better than Dani, for flat out saying their lifestyle is sinful. Thanks.

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  40. Wow, you're view points are so full of shit, its not even believeable.

    You want to talk statistics? What about the statistics that say 70% of homophobes are turned on by same sex pornography?
    Or that most STD holders in the United States as of 2006 are african american males between the ages of 30-40.
    OR how about the fact that most people who molest children are in a heterosexual marriage, and that its their own children?

    I went to a private christian school from kindergarten through my senior year, and I have always had feelings for the same sex, so your public school theory being a part of it is such bull. I would seriously hope someone of your age, especially with children, would be more educated and not so ignorant. You should raise your children to love everyone the same, no matter what they do behind closed bedroom doors.

    How is it a sin to be who you really are? Being gay is no more a choice than you being straight. We can't choose who we are attracted to and who we love. I could never find myself able to love a woman, it feels unnatural. I want to live my life the best way possible, and I have to say, people like you make it pretty difficult.

    Your statistics aren't even factual. I have not, nor ever will, sleep with over 100 partners in my life, I will never molest a child, I will never abuse a child, I will never have unprotected sex, and if I do so happen catch an STD I plan to keep it to myself. Just because some homosexuals are turned on my the idea of children and like to commit in many acts of sexual intercoarse, doesnt mean we all are. Heterosexual couples engage in pre-marital intercoarse all the time! So blaming just us for this STD propaganda is stupid.

    You say you love God, yet you show no compassion for other people. I find it funny calling yourself a christian. You people are the reason I left the church. I refuse to constantly fight a battle with you arrogant fools, its like you're all 5 years old and incapable of acting humane. Its our business who we love and care for, not yours. You take these words from a silly book written by people thousands of years ago. Why don't you try and live life loving everyone? God is not one of hate. He's one of love and compassion. We're all his children, and all deserve the respect that you don't give us, just because we aren't attracted to the opposite gender which isn't even our faults!

    I believe the world would be a better place without people like you. All you religious bigots do is spread hate, just because in the "all holy bible" it says some segment about not bedding another man. The book was written by MANY people, not just one. Its like a large diverse book full of peoples opinions on society, which sometimes contradict other opinions, not unlike todays government.

    In my 19 years of living, I have more class than you would ever hope to have. You need to realize we're animals. Wild animals in the jungle have same sex intercoarse all the time! Its a common occurance.

    I certainly hope when my children are my age that the world wont be as cruel as you're making it. We're doing nothing wrong...just loving who we can't help but love. So why not just let us be and mind your own damn business.

    You certainly have enough time on your hands, why not do something useful? Ya know, other than pissing a bunch of people off?

    By the way! I noticed you're the only anti-homosexual blogger on here? Very interesting. ;]

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  41. This is the same old boring pro-homo rhetoric that I’ve heard over a thousand times. When are you homos going to get some new arguments to support your perversion?

    mishizzlebizzle said... “I refuse to judge, because judgment breeds hatred and we all are truly equal… This is also why I refuse to stoop to your level to insult you, but I will say you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that judging those of a different lifestyle isn't very Christian.”

    That’s right – so don’t judge me or insult me for my beliefs!

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    Seth asks..."How can you argue that it is a sin to be homosexual? I've been reading up on the subject and there are many claims that homosexuality is determined before a child is born."

    Yup - Studies also show that many serial killers have it in their genes to become mass murderers. How can that be a sin if they are born that way?

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    RileyyEmerson007 said…

    “How is it a sin to be who you really are? Being gay is no more a choice than you being straight.”

    How is it a sin to be a pedophile then? It’s not a choice who these men are attracted to – how can you tell them that molesting kids in their bedroom is wrong? It’s not your business who they love and care for, right?

    “God is not one of hate. He's one of love and compassion.”

    Uh-huh – That’s why God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah with fire and brimstone or why He condemns sexually immoral people to hell. It must be all that love and compassion.

    “You need to realize we're animals. Wild animals in the jungle have same sex intercoarse all the time! Its a common occurance.”

    *Bravo* Well I’m glad you think you are an animal – I suppose that’s the only way you can justify your animalistic homosexual behavior. Evolution sure is making progress!

    “I certainly hope when my children are my age that the world wont be as cruel as you're making it.”

    Here is a lesson in biology 101: You can't have kids! Sticking your penis in another man's anus will NOT produce children – it’s scientifically impossible! I guess that’s why God created them male and female because homosexual relationships are unnatural and against nature! But what do I know? The Bible is just a silly book written by people thousands of years ago...

    BLA-BLA-BLA!!!

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  42. Why does it matter how somebody wants to live their life? I'm straight and I'm also Jewish... Which I'm sure you think is a sin as well, obviously... I know there's no point in arguing with you homophobic, close-minded, radical Christian, bigots and I can accept that from you. You should learn to accept others as they are as well. Thanks!

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  43. Dani- I am appaled and absolutly ashamed at your lack of sensitivity and feeling. How can judge people that youve never met based simply on statistics that no one can prove or disprove the authenticity of? I doubt you've ever even met a "Homo" as you so kindly put it, and I certainly doubt they've ever done anything to harm you besides being born. I'm not asking you to understand, obviously you haven't matured to that point. But if you really think they deserve judgement, leave it to God, and let him decide rather than a lowly minion like yourself.

    Also, at one point I believe Women and Africans were looked upon as dirty and lowly beings. Look how far weve all come. Kind of shows you the direction gays are headed, huh?

    As for the rest of you- There is nothing you can do to show her that Hitler is no longer trying rule the world and there will be no repeat of the crusades anytime soon. Intolerance is on the way out, and people like her will soon grow old and cynical and sit in their rocking chairs by themselves and pray that God is gentle and kind, or else all hateful, steriotypical people will join her wherever she ends up.

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  44. Sorry Dani- reading more, I hadn't realized you were at one point involved with a Lesbian yourself. Therefor I take back the comments on you not knowing anythis about homosexuality. However i stll fail to see how it is up to you to judge a lifestyle simply becuase you hadn't found it to your own liking. why not let others live their lives and be happy? I understand you probably think you're looking out for them by trying to save them. But most of the world considers you and people with similar thoughts as outdated and intolerant. Consider that others have made their choice and it is not up to you or anyone else to "inform" them of their "sins". Since when is Love a sin anyways?

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  45. Zdeb12 - I'm glad you read more and learned about my past. I was going to ignore your comment, but since you've taken the time to research a little, I felt it would be appropriate to give you a response.

    As you have probably figured out by now, I am not here to win a popularity contest or earn favor with the world. Most of the world thought Jesus was intolerant too, that's why they crucified Him.

    I come from a very destructive background which included all sorts of sexual immorality, even lesbianism. I understand that everyone has their own "choice" to make regarding how they live, but if I really “love” my neighbor I will "inform" them of their "sins" so they don't destroy their lives and suffer eternal damnation.

    My mother-in-law is also a lesbian and it grieves my heart to see how miserable, bitter and lonely she really is. Homosexual relationships are not natural and anyone who is involved in same-sex relationships suffers from a variety of psychological and emotional problems whether you acknowledge that or not.

    There is freedom in Christ and I am here to share that message of hope and love to those who are hurting and living an immoral life. You can choose to be a slave to your sin forever and be intolerant and judgmental towards me, or you can receive the message of grace and release your chains. It’s entirely up to you.

    You might be interesting in reading this post of mine for a woman who professed to be a "Christian" lesbian, titled => Hypocritical Love

    Hope to hear back from you soon.

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  47. Dani-
    Thanks for the article...haven't had a chance to look at it yet but I plan to.

    I'm glad you care enough about the world to try and help people get to a better place after death. Now, lets say that I am not Christian. My religion states that no religion is false, and all Holy Leaders are simply prophets of their times as times change. Now if I came in here and told you that this was the way to live and by ignoring the other facets besides Christianity and told you that you would go to Hell for your ignorance, you would probably say something along the lines of "I'll pray for you" with an underlying meaning much harsher than that. I fail to see how this situation would be any diffrent than you posting this blog out here to "correct" peoples beliefs and ways of life. Apparently I'm missing something here, so if you could please explain to me exactly how it is that you have decribed them as intolerant and judgemental towards you when somewhere earlier in this blog I read a very rude comment from you stating something along the lines of "they already ARE evil, vile and disgusting perverts regardless of what statistics I post." To me this sounds like hate breeding hate, and I believe that if you are going to raise yourself up on this platform of righteousness, you might start with being polite to these "hurting" beings rather than rudely "informing" them.

    Also, while reasearching a project I found some statistics that you yourself might be interested in.

    -98% of Homosexuals in the United States have experienced some form of Harassment.
    -75% come out to a friend first
    -46% lose that friend.
    -They are 7% more likely to be threatened or injured in schools.
    -1/3 drop out to escape harassment.
    -They are 4 1/2% more likely to skip school because they feel unsafe.
    -They are 4 times more likely to commit suicide.

    Do you wonder why they have mental issues? If you were persecuted and misunderstood every second of your life, do you think you'd have it all together either? You must have experienced some of this yourself, unless you fall in the 2% who have not been harassed in some way. Can you be a little sypathetic? The fact is, Gay and Lesbian kids, and 13-17 years old, are having their lives ruined becuase of what some may call an "adolecent phase" that they simply don't grow out of. I was in high school not so long ago,and I know many meanspirited teenagers who would love to come across this blog just becuase they think of it as justification for hate and violence, niether of which Jesus was an advocate of I believe.

    If your purpose was really to inform people of their sins, then I believe you would have probably done it in a way that would make them want to like you, to follow. But your rhetoric suggest something entirely diffrent. All I'm saying is have a little sensitivity please. If these people are as troubled as you seem to think they are, they certainly don't need things like this to make things any worse.

    Yours Truley

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  48. Zdeb12 – you said: “My religion states that no religion is false, and all Holy Leaders are simply prophets of their times as times change.”

    If no religion is false, then all religions must be true according to your beliefs – but how can this be? Are the same people who worship Satan just as right as those who worship Jesus Christ or those who worship trees? Are Muslims right when they strap explosives to themselves and blow up innocent people because their god told them to?

    If everyone’s beliefs are correct, then how can you tell me mine are wrong? Isn’t that being judgmental and hypocritical of you? If you want examples of people being intolerant towards me, just scroll along my sidebar and read previous posts, especially under the “Constant Controversy” section. I'm not here to make friends or to make people like me, I am simply here so share the Truth, what you choose to do with that information is up to you.

    As for the statistics you cited - if someone is living a lifestyle which is unnatural and an abomination to God, then they should repent. Playing the victim earns no sympathy from me. Drug dealers, child molesters, rapists and murderers all have mental issues too, doesn't mean we should tolerate their behavior and make excuses for their sin.

    I know that I am judgmental, Jesus commands His followers to judge with righteous judgment, to be intolerant of sin, and abhor what is evil. I understand that my approach is not the most “sensitive” at times, but the Truth is oftentimes offensive and the majority of people will hate the Truth.

    Question for you is, do you believe in absolute Truth? Are there some things in life that are absolutely right or wrong?

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  49. Dani-

    I never said your religion was wrong. that was a completly hypothetical situation. but you see how it made you feel? didnt you feel a little judged, like you had to stick up for yourself? also, have you ever tried understanding other religions? Allah of the muslim religion absolutly forbids the use of violence. really, muhammads teachings are very similar to those of Jesus or Buddah, but you have to understand there are radicals in every religion, and i can gaurantee i know a few christians who would die, as well as take others with them, for God. there is always a radical pit in every religious or national olive.

    As for your question Dani, yes, i do believe in absolute truth. But the reality of absolute truth is that if it doesnt hurt other people, it should not be counted on a list including rapist, murders, and pedophiles. im not absolving gay criminals, they should be punished for thir crimes. but they shouldnt be targeted for a "sin" that can only hurt you if you let it.

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  50. I can understand people misrepresenting statistics. But, please do not misrepresent Jesus.

    You say, "Don’t get caught up in the cliche of “Do not judge” as it is not biblical."
    Are you saying that Jesus never said, "“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."?
    What do those words mean to you?

    How do you live this quote?
    “But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
    “But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.

    “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”

    Granted, I'm not assuming that you think homosexuals are your enemy; but you are doing things that I would not even do to my worst enemy.

    Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

    What is your definition of love? For some reason, I can't reconcile your posts with the love that Jesus professed?


    How do you feel about the following quotes:
    "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect"
    "Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."
    "Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace."
    "live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For,"Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech. He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it."
    Do you believe you live according to these passages?
    Do you think Jesus is pleased with your blatant offensiveness?


    Jesus said, "You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me."
    That passage that you took out of context said, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

    How do you know your judgment is true or that you judge righteously? Your posts are a clear example of judging according to appearances; because you have just given a bunch of numbers. You admit "...I don’t know the details of all the statistics." I doubt you've researched all the sources of these statistics; I doubt you know the reasons behind the drug abuse, suicide, or unsafe practices.
    All your post does is bring light to the pain that homosexuals have to endure. When I see this, I am compelled to alleviate this suffering through charity. Your solution seems to be condemnation. Maybe I'm misreading you. Are you interested in love or just trying to prove that homosexuality is wrong?

    I don't know your educational background but you may want to take a course in Statistics. This post shows numerous pitfalls that people fall into when quoting statistics. One being the very act of grouping together various numbers from different sources and not understanding the purpose of those numbers.

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  51. Jacks said: Are you saying that Jesus never said, "“Judge not, that you be not judged."

    Here is the key part of that passage: "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."?

    Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees for judging hypocritically -- holding themselves to a different standard than everyone else and judging others for things they were doing themselves. That's what hypocrisy is. Jesus told them to first stop doing the things they were judging others for, and then they could see clearly enough to judge. He was not repudiating all judging.

    We all make judgments about behavior a hundred times a day - and we should. Every time you shake your head in disgust after hearing a news report about a child being abducted, you’re judging. In fact, you made a judgment simply by posting this comment. Your judgment is that it is wrong for Christians to judge homosexuals, at least in an “offensive” way.

    What is your definition of love? For some reason, I can't reconcile your posts with the love that Jesus professed?

    And, later ...

    Are you interested in love or just trying to prove that homosexuality is wrong?

    You're assuming there is something unloving about rebuking sinners and warning them that they face eternal separation from God if they don't repent. Jesus did plenty of that; in fact, He talked a lot about hell (Matt 5:22; 10:28; 18:9 and 23:33, for starters).

    Love does not "seek its own," but seeks the good of others. This will often mean confronting and rebuking those who celebrate destructive, immoral behavior. It would be more comfortable to just not concern ourselves with those who are ensnared in a destructive lifestyle like homosexuality, but that wouldn't be love, it would be apathy.

    How do you feel about the following quotes:
    "Always be prepared to give an answer ... for the hope that you have. ... with gentleness and respect"


    Christians are called to do both: to give a reasoned defense of our faith to those who sincerely want to know the truth, and also to rebuke and warn the unrepentant. And even in declaring the truth of the gospel, there comes a point when we're called to stop casting our ”pearls before swine,” and to ”shake off the dust” from our feet.

    "Therefore, as God's chosen people ... Bear with each other and forgive ... as the Lord forgave you."

    "Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace."

    "live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing..."


    Those passages are instructions on how Christians are to treat their fellow believers. They don't negate all the other admonitions to judge, rebuke and warn sinners.

    Do you believe you live according to these passages?

    Speaking for myself, I try to...with God's help.

    Do you think Jesus is pleased with your blatant offensiveness?

    Provided it serves a purpose -- to warn the lost that their souls are in danger –- then, yes. And Jesus was plenty offensive at times. In fact, He is called a "rock of offense."

    But Jacks, your real problem with what Dani is saying isn’t her “offensiveness” or that you think she doesn’t love homosexuals, it’s that she upholds God’s standard for sexuality as revealed in His word. And that’s because you don’t know God, you just want to quote selectively from the Bible, while also learning from the “wisdom” of dozens of other philosophies, to confirm a standard of morality that you’re personally comfortable with.

    I’d suggest that you:

    A) Re-read the Gospel of John to find out who Jesus is and if He claimed to be ”The Way” and "The Truth" or simply one of many ways and one of many paths to truth.

    B) Read Mere Christianity and The Case for Christ.

    C) Order a video called Mount Moriah, that presents historic and geographic evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (Let them know you aren’t a Christian when ordering and the video is free.)

    D) Check out BibleEvidences.com, which presents evidence for the divine origin of the Bible.

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  52. Jacks - you said, "Are you saying that Jesus never said, "“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
    What do those words mean to you?"


    When we repent of our sin, take the log out of our own eye, then we can see clearly to judge.

    Jesus said, “Judge Not…you hypocrite.” I cannot tell a homosexual that their lifestyle is destructive if I too am homosexual. But since I am not, I have repented of that perverted lifestyle, so I won’t be a hypocrite in telling them that it's wrong.

    "Judge Not...you hypocrite." (Matt. 7:1-5)

    Right after that verse, Jesus instructs His followers,"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine." (Matt. 7:6)

    Yet the silly dilemma now is - Who could Christ possibly have meant by that? For if we are supposed to be loving, tolerant, polite, respectful and non-judgmental, why would He refer to any human being by a mean-spirited term like swine, dog or HOMO for that matter? Sinners, especially homosexuals truly are repulsive, regardless of how people may try to sanitize them.

    Jesus repeatedly taught men to "judge rightly," insisting they “judge with righteous judgment,” and He praised a man in Luke who “rightly judged.”

    Jesus said in Luke 12:56-57 -- “Hypocrites! …Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?”

    God will reward those who judge rightly -- “It is not good to show partiality in judgment... Those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them.”

    You asked - "What is your definition of love? For some reason, I can't reconcile your posts with the love that Jesus professed?"

    Well, let me ask you this - If I am supposed to love my neighbor as myself and I see my neighbor living a destructive life which is an abomination to God, is it very "loving" of me to sit back and say nothing?

    God warns against “hypocrisy” repeatedly in the Bible. "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good" (Romans 12:9). God commands men to “abhor what is evil” - Yet to abhor evil, someone must first judge evil.

    God also said, "I HATE all those who do iniquity."(Psalm 5:5)

    That sure isn't very "loving" - what could God have possibly meant?

    You asked - "Do you think Jesus is pleased with your blatant offensiveness?"

    Let me ask you this - Do you think Jesus was ever offensive?

    Jesus is called the "Rock of offense," remember? Most people, in fact, were offended by Him. You seem to know what Jesus would do, but you need to take a closer look! Jesus said, "Blessed is he who is NOT offended because of Me."

    Sexual perversion of any kind has no place in God's House. The Apostle Paul says in I Corinthians 6:8-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    I love homosexuals enough to condemn their lifestyle. If I didn't give a rip I wouldn't care that they are destroying themselves.

    You asked - "How do you know your judgment is true or that you judge righteously?"

    Because I have the mind of Christ and I know what God's Word teaches. It's pretty simple really. Hate what is evil, and love what is good!

    In closing, in your profile you said, "The more I learn, the more ignorant I feel."

    Quoting Bible verses is great, but next time you want to speak on behalf of Jesus Christ, it would be wise if you knew who He really was and what He actually taught - not just a bunch of cherry picked, feel-good verses!

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  53. Thanks Paul - I posted this minutes after you!

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  54. for whatever reason, my response was not uploaded. It's too long for me to remember.
    To summarize, I've read the bible numerous times, I find it interesting that you think I don't know what Jesus taught because I don't necessarily agree with your methods.
    I also find it odd that you are allowed to speak on the behalf of Jesus and cherry pick versus (as you did on 5/02/2006 12:13 PM and in response to my post); but I'm not allowed.

    When I find myself judging others, I humble myself. I realize that I do not know enough about the person or their situation to judge righteously. That's why I ask questions (like I've asked you) to gain clarification.

    And the only standard of morality that I'm personally comfortable with is love and compassion.

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  55. Jacks said: "When I find myself judging others, I humble myself. I realize that I do not know enough about the person or their situation to judge righteously. That's why I ask questions (like I've asked you) to gain clarification."

    When you "find yourself judging"? You mean it's your goal to eliminate all judging from your life? How's that working out?

    When I read my local news today, I saw that a 64-year-old pervert school bus driver was convicted of raping a 10-year-old girl on the school bus. I didn't need to do any of the following before judging him:

    a) Humble myself.
    b) Learn more about him and his situation.
    c) Ask questions and seek clarification.

    Jacks said: "And the only standard of morality that I'm personally comfortable with is love and compassion."

    Love and compassion are attitudes, not a standard of morality. Jacks, Jesus doesn't give you the option of only accepting His teachings on love and compassion without accepting the moral standard by which you are judged as guilty, and which is the reason He came to earth to die. As the Creator, He's the one who sets the rules for human sexuality. If you want to try to cobble together some semi-functional, feel-good moral code that accepts homosexuality and lets you enjoy your porn videos, why don't you just look to Lao Tzu, Krishna and Brahman, and leave Jesus Christ out of your philosophy entirely? He's not interested.

    And btw, what if my standard of morality is my own personal happiness, and I just want to use other people to bring myself pleasure. Am I wrong? If so, who says? "Love and compassion" are not adequate reasons.

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  56. Jacks,

    I have one more link for you. Please listen to this podcast (~ 40 min.). The host presents biblical support for the fact that Jesus Christ is the eternal Creator God, the second person of the Trinity -- so that He's not just one among several guides who leads us to spiritual truth. He is the Truth.

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  57. This is looking a bit futile.

    I will include Jesus Christ in my philosophy because he teaches about love.

    Love is an attitude to you, it is a lifestyle to me. One which I try to cultivate daily. Love is adequate for me. If it is not for you then so be it.

    My goal is to understand that my judgment is ignorant and worthless.
    I am not your judge. I don't need to judge you. The consequences of your actions are a better judge than I would ever be.

    If Jesus is not interested in me, then I guess there is no reason for us to continue this conversation.

    Peace be upon you.

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  58. Jacks said: "I will include Jesus Christ in my philosophy because he teaches about love."

    Yes, but love isn't just a mushy, feel-good emotion that makes no moral judgments. God's love isn't like that: "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Rom 5:8)

    Jacks said: "If Jesus is not interested in me, then I guess there is no reason for us to continue this conversation.

    He's interested in you, but not on your own terms, that is, He's not interested in being just one of your many gurus. He's interested in being your Saviour and Lord.

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  59. All this talk about "love" and no judging gives me a sneaky suspicion that Jacks is a homosexual.

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  60. Ok, I could quite easily turn all your points around. For example "Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States. They make up only 1-2% of the population". Which means at least 96% of the straight population account for all gonorrhea cases. Why are they not being judged?! Pretty much all of the statistics can be turned around in this way and yet no-one is coming down on the "straight population" for making up 83% of all hospital admissions!! Yet its a crime that 17% are homosexuals?! And the fact that 50% of homosexuals are murdered - are we saying that is their fault that they are murdered?! It would be down to blogs and views like these that make up that number and spread hatred, not the homosexuals themselves.

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  61. Well Dani, all the hatred you spew about homosexuality leads me to believe you're still a lesbian.

    What you're doing is a VERY common subconscious overcompensation technique.

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  62. Why don't you just let people be? It's not their fault if they were born gay. Even if they had a chance to be heterosexual and decided to remain homosexual, it concerns them. I agree that STD's are a burden for economy, but you're just being ignorant if you think you can really turn a gay man straight. It's all fake happiness if he does however turns straight. I'm sorry but, I can't believe that we're approaching 2009 and people like you who at first sight seem very reasonable would post things like this... and make comments like the ones you do. And it's not before you managed to make it sound verbally correct that it is. You're a blinded fanatic and obviously can't distinguish wrong from right. That's why people now hate good Christians like me who can learn to accept and live with his neighbor. These are just numbers. Do you want me to get numbers on how many murders have been done in the past for the glory of faith? Trust me, religious fanatics have caused more pain than homosexuals have. My message to all of you is don't be blind in your faith. God is forgiving and graceful, and I know he didn't create a gay man to walk this earth and be hated by his brothers. A person, heterosexual or not, is a son of God. Shame on you for spreading that hatred on behalf of the believers.

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  63. I read this for the first time today, and found myself wanting to respond to comments made 2 years ago.

    The twisting of "facts" is the best way to describe this article. You can present anything as a fact if it is taken out of context like "70% of homosexual encounters occur while drunk or in an orgy setting".

    Well, you know...

    96% of all serial killers wear shoes when they kill their victims.
    So I believe it's obvious that shoes make you evil.

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  64. It is a well known fact that the only people who are disturbed by homosexuality have homosexual tendencies they are afraid to act on.

    Your blog shows that you are really gay underneath. You are probably bisexual and have not accepted yourself enough to understand your gayness.

    This is a fact and you really should seek help.

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  65. Dear Dani,

    Has any one evr called you homophobic because I believe that is what you are a big fattt homopobe.. My ive been A lesbian since I can remember. I am happy that i admitted it to myself because for a long time I was indenial... Im gay the same reason why you are straight.. if being homosexual is a sin and god created homosexuals then why is it that he created homosexuality should i burn in hell for being gay afterall everyone says im the nicest person who they ever met...I treat every one with respect and I am a good student I do not do anything that I believe is bad.. What would you do if one of your children turns out homosexual??how many people were surveyed in your stats 6??? stop being so old school wake up and smell the homosexuals for we are all around you.. remember a homosexual can even save your life.. so be nice

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  66. Lourdy - Yes I have been called homophobic before, in fact, I have said many times that I Was Born Homophobic - It's the way that God made me and I can't help that!

    But on a more serious note - if you took the time to read any portions of my blog, you would learn that I once lived a life as a lesbian full of immorality and perversion, but I repented because it was a destructive lifestyle considered to be an abomination by God.

    God did not create homosexuals, any more than he created fornicators, adulterers, pedophiles, rapists, or murderers. We are all born with a sinful nature, and if we choose to give into the lusts of our flesh instead of obeying God we will burn in hell no matter how "nice" anybody thinks we are. You know the child molester is always considered to be the nicest guy on the block. But being nice isn't a requirement to earn eternal salvation - Repenting of your sin and believing in Jesus Christ alone is what will get you into Heaven.

    I fully realize that homosexuals are all around me, but for me to quit being so "old school" and to deny God's absolute moral standard would be expressing a message of hatred towards those who are lost and suffering. Just because being "gay" is trendy these days, does not mean you have the approval from your Creator.

    You say that you've been a lesbian since you can remember - Let me ask you a question, what is the relationship with your father like? Is he involved in your life? Is he abusive in any way? Or is he absent from the picture?

    Lesbians don't choose to be the way they are because they necessarily like other women. Lesbians are the way they are because they have a hatred for men because the men in their lives (father, boyfriends, husband) who were suppose to love and protect them, have severely hurt them in one way or another. This would be my guess with you - your father is probably a scumbag which is why you think you're a lesbian - it's safer than trusting another man at this point. But being a lesbian is shameful and against nature.

    I am going to be nice and try and save your life by warning you that if your don't repent and turn from your perverted lifestyle, you my dear, are headed for eternal damnation!

    There is hope in the Lord! You don't have to hurt forever!

    If you want to email me and chat privately, I would be happy to do so. My address is daniellestyle@hotmail.com

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  67. I couldn't help but notice that your sources all dated from 1994 and before. Now, you'd think that someone of your 'brilliance' regarding this topic would realize that after 12 years (since this was written in 2006) these so-called statistics are not necessarily relevant any longer. Also, I refuse to believe that a sophisticated individual researched and wrote these statistics, using words such as "orgy" and "high". Obviously this person needs to re-take 9th grade english and learn to use proper words in place of slang. I'm sorry that you keep your mind so tightly closed as to how other's feel. You know, that can be considered a personality disorder since you want to argue homosexuality as being a mental disorder.
    Also, anyone with an ounce of brain in their skull could identify everything you've posted as propaganda.
    People like you are what make the world so hard to live in.

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  68. "Sully - First of all, I don't make homosexuals seem like evil people - they already ARE evil, vile and disgusting perverts regardless of what statistics I post."

    Holy crap. Simple-minded.....?

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  69. in regards to:
    "...What you're doing is a VERY common subconscious overcompensation technique." and "I come from a very destructive background which included all sorts of sexual immorality, even lesbianism..."

    to preface my comment, i first want to note that the anonymous blogger stressed "VERY" in his/her post. i believe they did this to emphasize that it's a common tactic that we employ on ourselves to avoid hurt. it's a defense mechanism, but in the long run is extremely subversive to healthy growth.

    dani, can you please address these statements? i find it relevant to acknowledge & relate your past turmoil to your current e-disposition of austerity and self-righteous infallibility. i can tell you're a very passionate person, but your vitriolic rants do nothing for understanding. you definitely have proven yourself to have a 'full-spectrum' understanding of the absolute truth in the bible. well...at least as you want to see it...as best as it conforms to your understanding of life. and then you have Jacks. the msg that he espouses comes from the same book, yet he approaches the situation from a completely different angle. same book...same supposed absolute truth, but two completely different presuppositions.

    all this bantering back and forth in the name of an almighty, pre-ordained morality system only serves to show the weakness inherent in religion. it preaches both the beneficence of love while it dually advocates the subtle and corrosive intolerance that you hold so dear. what does this show? that your god is both the dr. jekyll and mr. hyde of philosophy and life practice.

    there might be an absolute truth, but i sure as hell don't think that ANYONE has it tagged down, including those that formulated the bible. we only see the absolute in a relative light. nonetheless, this shouldn't infer that we need a scapegoat (christ's resurrection and conditional grace) to bridge the gap. what you need to do is find reconciliation by humbly understanding your situation and letting go of the burden that you apparently still carry on your back. don't be another person that prematurely jumps on the bandwagon of zealots that find immediate "peace" in a blood sacrifice. (is a blood sacrifice really that noble?)

    stop me and let me know if i'm wrong. my observances are incomplete because i've wholly surmised your character by your blog, its posts and links, as well as your favorable following. however, from what you've divulged in just this post is that you had a volatile childhood. it seems as if the people that hurt you were those that you trusted most, so in the end you felt like you had no one to turn to.

    as a result, in your search for reconciliation you found something that gave you an answer...something that was in direct opposition to the people that hurt you in the past. not only did you find an answer, but you found something that empowered you with the authority of the supposed maker of the universe. maybe that's why you harbor so much resentment for homosexuality, but find so much solace in the bible. and since the bible gave you the strength that you needed in your fragile state, you stood and still stand behind it 100%, regardless of the fact that you might step on some toes and negate equality/humanity.

    in conclusion, it's worth noting that what happened to you in childhood is not equivalent to the reality of consenting adults making a decision based on their joint sexual preference. the pain that you seem to have experienced was probably a result of someone taking advantage of you or someone close to you, but that's a completely different scenario and deserves the actual resentment that you've misdirected and vehemently "lavished" on the gay populace.

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  70. one more thing…you'd have an amazingly positive and inspiring effect on people if you took your strength and passion and funneled it into helping people confront life's confusing tosses and turns.

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  71. omg as if u wrote all that just to prove homosexuals are mentally ill..
    its their life n i personally dont think it has anything to do with others..!!
    if u dont like them.. just ignore them.. dnt see the point in writing a blog n dissing them..

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  72. "Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime..."
    Haha are you serious? 500? 1000? You don't even personally KNOW that many people throughout a lifetime, nice try though. These are ridiculously slanted and biased facts, don't present them as the truth because you've picked apart statistics and slanted them to fit your purpose. By the way, any intelligent person who reads these facts RECOGNIZES them as slanted and wrongly biased, so you are really just making yourself look like an ignorant idiot. I hope your children turn out better than you, I fear for them if this is the bullshit you force into their heads.

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  73. My goodness,
    It must be seriously awful to be you. Filled with so much hate and ignorance. Your like a dog who won't stop eating it's own shit.

    Maybe your just seriously mental? I mean like batshit crazy, or maybe you were hurt and abused severely that your just lashing out in every possible way.

    One thing I learned after accidentally coming to your site was I am so lucky that I dont have to carry so much distaste for the world like you. I am so ecstatic that I have enough common sense to not be like you. It's like you killing yourself. Do you know what this much hate does to a human? First it will tear your soul apart, then kill you slowly from the inside out. Hate is a disease just like fear, and fear is the foundation of religion.

    I am so sorry that your filled with such vileness, I bet in person you can see the disgusting yellow puss of ignorance seeping out of your pores. Don't worry the people around you probably have gotten used to that smell of infection.

    Like I said before, I am so sorry that you have to be you every single day, till the day you die.

    - A Proud Feminist, Liberal, Atheist.
    Oh and I know you probably won't approve this message, if you do I will applaud you for your courage :)

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